@beauxarrow: it tells me a lot about someone when they go around shitting on the more entry-level, laid back dog sports. dock diving is a beginner friendly sport that any dog can title in, even if they only go 2 feet off the dock - and theres nothing wrong with that. but also, this is absoutely a sport that hard work & training CAN be put into. it is crazy what groundwork, striding, tracking practice and proper throws can do. I am still working on the throwing part to help my dogs jump their best.