@philosophyminis: Anti-natalism is the idea that it's wrong to have kids. It argues that anybody who chooses to have biological children is immoral. One of the first and often most cited proponents of this is the philosopher, David Benatar. Benatar argues that we each give an ‘unreliable assessment’ of how good our lives actually are. We say things are great, but actually life is always worse than we let on. Humans tend to be optimistic. We tend to focus on the rare and fleeting moments of happiness that pop up in the long night of misery that makes up reality. We shrug our shoulders and say, ‘Oh, it's not so bad,’ but it really is. The only reason we delude ourselves like this is to carry on the species. Because everybody admitted how miserable life actually was, we wouldn't bother to reproduce. Evolution demands that we be optimistic. Evolution demands that we pretend life is great. But Benatar argues that we are rational beings, and we can look on the world as it actually is: a world full of harm and set only to get worse. And so, bringing children into this will increase net suffering. This all leads Benatar to conclude that having kids is wrong. And he explains it this way: ‘Each of us was harmed by being brought into existence, because the quality of even the best lives is very bad and worse than most people recognize it to be. But it is not too late to prevent the existence of future possible people.’ So is Benatar, right? Is it a duty not to have kids?

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Tinovimbanashe :
I have always said this, there is no purely logical reason to have children ! The reasons are either selfish or emotional but never really logical.
2024-12-20 19:02:21
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seers_circus
Seer :
I agree with this. No amount of good a potential life has outweighs the net-zero suffering of not existing at all.
2024-12-20 22:10:40
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wonderllaa
calypso :
yes ,I'm an antinatalist.Id love to answer questions if anyone has them. Basically even if life is good,which I belive it can be,the parents can't know for sure
2024-12-20 19:37:45
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shahabma
Shahab :
Despite all the sufferings, life is worth experiencing.
2024-12-21 01:37:25
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itsnotmalachi
✞Malachi✞ :
If you don't want humanity to continue, do you part and 😁🔫
2024-12-21 14:55:47
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pepsiguzzler7
𝓗𝓮𝓵𝓮𝓷 :
Life is meant to have ups and downs guys 🥀
2025-05-02 20:42:51
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grax49
Stuffy :
It'd be interested in having counter arguments of this point of view, because even tho it sounds really pessimistic, I pretty much fully agree on this
2024-12-20 15:46:39
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waays
waays :
Is it bad I agree with this to some extent? Life is only at its best if you’re not grown into poverty or a toxic environment
2024-12-20 14:54:12
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ti.a_da.ni
Daniela🪶 :
I completely agree, I don’t criticise the friends or family who decided to have them, but I can’t fathom such a level of self entitlement
2024-12-20 19:30:05
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mostfantasticgrape
Most Fantastic Grape :
I see it this way: if you're born, you are guaranteed to suffer in some way or another, despite how happy your life is. If you're never born, you're never happy but you also never suffer. 1/2
2024-12-20 17:47:23
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sd_worm
sd_worm :
I personally agree with this and don't want kids. However, it's nice to see when someone wants who a kid and clearly loves them and raises them right. I can't judge someone's choice
2024-12-20 18:04:17
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jasonc.malone
Jason Malone :
Just because David Benatar’s life sucks, doesn’t mean everyone else’s is the same.
2024-12-20 20:53:58
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jantomson2
Jan Tomson :
I never laughed as hard as I ever had Until I had kids.
2024-12-20 23:14:17
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helloxvy74j
Hello User :
When people are alive they do everything they can to keep on living because they know the value of their life so well. Life is so precious and perfect as opposed to never existing.
2024-12-21 04:52:40
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ave_baphomet_deus
࿖⃠✞⃠🔥 Ave B⛥phomet 🔥𝗔𝗜⃠♔⃠ :
Antinatalism is based 🍷🗿
2025-05-20 17:25:41
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luxcioury
grass🥀🦌 :
if youre gonna bring children into this ill driven capitalistic society to be raised as workers for the rich, to fight for the corrupted, and to deal with the entitled; then is it really worth it for-
2025-05-02 09:50:57
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carrifex123
Wayne Larson388 :
Could not disagree with this more than I do.
2024-12-20 22:37:46
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viktor.hrabrov
Viktor Hrabrov :
Wtf did he smoke 😂
2024-12-21 11:59:26
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user15679916
Callum Shaw :
Surely if he’s correct then there’s no rational point in any of us already-alive people being alive? Does that seem like an intuitive moral philosophy?
2024-12-20 22:27:52
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brotherstosisters
KaanaisKing :
I would argue that the amount of suffering is decreasing with the general improvement of living conditions. Also by having kids one is helping humanity further decrease the amount of suffering
2024-12-20 17:03:33
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deadshakadog
DeadShakaDog :
As a young man during the mid eighties I really thought long and hard about this question. What a wonderful thing to have the joys of having a son and daughter. However, today, we'll into my sixties, with grandchildren, the question returned and really haunts me. The world is upside down.
2024-12-20 16:08:35
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thifhe_imani
Dr Thifhe Imani :
Finally found someone who perfectly articulated the cause of the depression/existential crisis I’ve been going through
2024-12-21 13:33:31
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vollgeraet_
vollgeraet_ :
was that dude perhaps a social outcast and lunatic (like the rest of his kind?)
2024-12-20 20:10:40
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birniwa_ibrahim
BirniTime :
David Benatar wouldn't have existed to say that.
2024-12-20 15:46:29
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