@philosophyminis: Are you a true patriot? Are you a good Muslim? Are you a proper #music fan? Well, first you must pass this test. You must look, believe, and behave a certain way. If not, well, then I'm afraid you can't call yourself that. These are examples of what the #philosopher Anthony Flew called the ‘No True Scotsman’ fallacy. Imagine there's someone called John who's reading the news about a bloody and terrible crime, and he says, ‘I can't believe a Scotsman would do such a thing.’ And the next day, a #Scotsman is, in fact, found guilty. And so, rather than admit he's wrong, John says, ‘Well, no true Scotsman would have done such a thing!’ This fallacy, known as ‘the appeal to purity,’ works in two ways. First, it assumes that there is an idealised version of something that we have to live up to. It says that there is one definition of a true Muslim , a true patriot, or a true #Beatles fan. Everyone else is just a fraud. Second, there is no way to actually satisfy the No True Scotsman fallacy, because if you provide a counterexample, then you are dismissed as an irrelevant data point. If you say, for example, ‘But I believe the country should be like this,’ then you're told, ‘Oh, well, you're not a pure patriot, then.’ But who are the gatekeepers of what makes a ‘true’ movie fan, a ‘true’ socialist, a ‘true’ philosopher, or, whatever. The No True Scotsman fallacy is bad #logic , bad #science , and it's really irritating. If you are told that you are not a ‘proper’ or a ‘true’ anything, then it's an example of the fallacy at play, and it's a call to look at the definitions that people are using.

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ghareeb_nawaz22
The Alchemist :
As a Muslim reading the comments , I can see many people have misunderstood the point he is making.
2025-02-17 19:15:28
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phxntom88
phxntom :
the thing about this is that there actually IS a role model Muslim we are all taught as the standard. that's our Prophet Muhammad. 1/2
2025-02-17 16:39:44
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bamtori272
mirin :
Thank you. This is an interesting and easy to understand topic.
2025-02-20 05:40:45
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chvlll
Chvlll :
Bro flexed his Scottish accent on us. 😭
2025-02-17 17:54:40
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sonwix5
wixer :
Since you said true muslim; i just want to drop some information about the matter, not the philosophy you talked about in the video. There is a proper example in Islam; and he is the prophet (محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم). so when you sin, you'r stil a true muslim. but a sinned one, and that (the sin) can be forgiven; if you ask Allah to forgive you and don't do the sin agine. so my point here the 'No ture soctsman' philosophy can't really applied about islam.
2025-02-17 18:17:40
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da.baby097
Da Baby :
it's interesting that you mentioned one specific religion
2025-02-17 16:02:58
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melkoremperious
melkoremperious :
To take this further, often people say “that’s not a way to live a life.” (Usually said as a negative judgement). How incorrect - currently there are 8.1 billion ways to live a life.
2025-02-17 17:00:31
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idontsarangyou
Aura :
I struggle so much with this as an autistic person
2025-02-17 15:04:47
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jonathon1112
jonathon :
The accent was great.
2025-02-20 02:45:22
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speaktruthtopower0
SpeakTruthToPower :
Prophet Muhammad Peace Be Upon Him....he was our ideal to follow.
2025-02-18 18:12:46
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schlabulous_glass
schlabulous glass :
people DID NOT get the point 😭😭😭
2025-02-18 09:41:51
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ghost_afridi
GHOST_AFRIDI :
Islam has different sects so yea this is kinda true as a Muslim. but everyone has their own interpretation of Quran and hadith
2025-02-17 18:29:50
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xmarziy
Marziy :
For men too, they keep referring the bad guys as ‘a boy’ and not ‘a man’😭
2025-02-18 10:30:14
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hep0nen
Hep0nen :
So, if we say no true kilogram.. and then, if some supposed kilogram weights either less or more than a kilogram, is no true kilogram. And it's a fallacy.. now I'm confused
2025-02-17 21:04:28
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jojogirard3
jojogirard3 :
Thank you for your posts. I enjoy the knowledge you pass on.
2025-02-17 15:36:55
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zomvex1
zom🐝vex :
I find your videos .. enlightening... thanks 😊
2025-02-17 15:10:31
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cumuronimbus
cumuronimbus :
more of the scottish accent please 😆
2025-02-17 18:22:52
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carlosmarioreye
Carlos Mario Reyes :
I was waiting for an explanation like this for a long time, thank you so much 👍
2025-02-17 15:05:08
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cyfiels
lisa. :
anyone who doesn’t, therefore, fall under the definition of something “true” is ostracized. which really just leads to unnecessary division
2025-02-17 15:27:38
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hussinalsajer8
Hussin Alsajer :
the fallacy is built up on being subjective. Facts are not subjective and can be proven objective this is the solution for said fallacy.
2025-02-17 23:24:08
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amphinomus
𐎤𐎢𐎽𐎢𐏁 :
You can do exactly that when the category in question is based on an objective basis. Apples and Oranges
2025-02-18 02:23:10
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saarahturtle
saarahturtle :
I think conversations about "integration" are a good application of this. it feels like the goalposts are always moving for what counts as "integrated" such that if can never be fulfilled
2025-02-17 23:24:27
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mtrd843
Mtrd :
very good video, I've been thinking about this for a while, if someone did something good they of us and if they did something bad they are of them
2025-02-17 19:38:08
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johnmcsorley5
jmcsorley :
PLEASE drop the accent!!! 🤣❤️
2025-02-17 19:33:37
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saulgoodman1257
SaulGoodman :
is this an anti Platonic position? if there are no ideals to live up to, then how do people compare if all comparisons are merely relative to something else?
2025-02-18 00:48:44
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