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Glen’s Life :
The thing missing from this discussion is that in the current system, when you graduate it is acknowledged you are ready to teach but you are not yet proficient. You are employed as a graduate teacher, get paid less, get more time out of the classroom, and additional work you need to complete to move from grad to proficient. There is plenty more on the job / apprenticeship style learning you are meant to do once you graduate but I don’t know if many schools are good at supporting that.
2025-07-16 05:41:45
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Cam :
Sorry - totally disagree. Your university degree is your foundation. You need that academic background and the analytical skills that can only be acquired through obtaining your degree. Then (ideally) you should do your classroom ‘traineeship’ to develop practical skills under the guidance of experienced teachers. What you argue just diminishes us as professionals. This is why we have an incremental pay scale to recognise expertise.
2025-08-10 11:27:47
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lisay0417 🇨🇦 :
I can't even get a supply to come in and teach a general biology lesson on the cell, forget my molecular biology unit. Maybe for primary school, but students deserve a specialist in their subject matter.
2025-08-17 16:47:03
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ilavanilla :
because it's not just about the teaching, it's about all the critical and analytical skills including the ability to engage with research that you simply cannot learn kn the job. the suggestion that teachers don't need a degree is just another form of anti intellectualism.
2025-07-16 04:27:38
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jodstar :
I am in the GYOTT program (NSW DOE) and I explain it as being an apprentice teacher. For the final 2 years of my program I am employed as a Paraprofessional Educator and paid by the department, not out of my schools budget. The specifics of the role is negotiated between myself and my school but I basically work 3 days/week as a co-teacher and Ive gradually taken on more teaching tasks over the year Ive been doing this; i currently teach, program and assess a couple of minor KLAs for my class (under supervision). Unfortunately under the last pay reform the PPE role has been removed from the teaching award so unsure if this model will be sustainable into the future but Im incredibly grateful to do it this way.
2025-07-15 23:55:12
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Kirsty Clacher :
yes!!! and behaviour management should be a much larger part of teacher training
2025-07-16 06:36:07
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@❈⋇⊰EMILY⊱⋇❈ :
There is a program that exists for skilled career changers, called Teach For Australia. You get your teaching degree through an apprenticeship type arrangement, but you have to agree to work in a remote or high needs school I think
2025-07-16 09:06:21
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Jazzebelle :
Schools are now operating as businesses- no longer is the core goal to educate. Universities perpetuate this. Enrolments, funding and public perception supersede quality learning, safety for students and teachers and accountability for unacceptable behaviour.
2025-07-16 02:26:25
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aussieflame_70 🇦🇺 :
Many years ago it used to be. You went to teachers college which was more like TAFE than uni.
2025-08-12 10:15:08
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Xtracrispii 🇦🇺 :
It should be done like an apprenticeship
2025-07-16 23:48:36
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Puro's Odd Feet 🇦🇺❤️💛🖤 :
This would not work for the highest levels in high school. There is already an obvious content and skill difference between those with a BEd and those with an undergrad + MTeach when it comes to subject knowledge. To teach senior ATAR level subjects you need university-level content knowledge and experience.
2025-07-16 14:16:39
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Steph Tregear :
I worry that the move to scripted lessons is only the start of the de-professionalisation of the industry. If our job can be reduced to a script that anyone could follow, why do we need any training? Then why would we need to be paid as professionals?
2025-07-16 07:07:28
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Acceber 🇦🇺 :
Also the fact that uni doesn’t start until March and it’s T2 by the time the praccies get into classrooms. By that point class management and routines are well established. There’s no opportunity to see how the year actually starts and the class gets up and running.
2025-07-16 08:19:00
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tim_gardner :
back in the olden days it wasn't a degree
2025-07-16 05:38:17
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Shane Woods :
I'm doing a master of teaching internship. Teach 3 days a week, one day study release and one day off. Has many pros and cons. Once again, most of the university content will be relevant for a week until it's forgotten, it's the real experiences and feedback from mentors and observations that mould most of my practice.
2025-07-16 13:21:32
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Pyowna :
I would love to have a pre-service teacher four days a week. It would be so good for the students and the PST, not to mention me as the classroom teacher.
2025-07-16 03:44:57
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Jessica :
Or at the VERY least have a system where each student is a paid SLSO from sem 2 year 1 of uni. Because even that exposure in the classroom is valuable. Yes you aren’t teaching a whole class but you’re still exposed to whole class teaching whilst most likely running small groups, behaviour management & wellbeing. It would also allow almost every classroom an SLSO at least a certain amount of days or hours a week
2025-07-17 00:54:44
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Alison Ellie Taranto :
I hated the way my university degree was. I had to do a Bachelor of Arts (Pathway into Teaching) then a Master of Teaching. I didn't get a chance to go into the classroom for a prac until I was in my Masters and I only did 2 pracs. I felt completely unprepared when I did graduate.
2025-07-16 21:15:40
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gibbo_T :
They also expect to to be perfect on your pracs when the reality is we spend very little time in the classroom. They don't teach how to program for example at the start of the year this is how you navigate the curriculum and what to cover.
2025-07-16 01:01:15
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Rainbow Smite 🇦🇺🇳🇿 :
I’m teaching on a limited authority teaching registration while I complete my masters, I still have to do prac even through I have my own classes and work .8 as a teacher with no oversight
2025-07-16 00:09:09
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TrakkyDakky :
It used to be “teacher’s college” and it was more a blend of theory and on the job training. Then we had to become “professionals” (like we weren’t before) and move into the “qualification creep” stuff.
2025-07-16 20:48:46
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Daniella Luchi :
I completely agree! Lots of uni students do 2 years of theory and get to their first practical and it’s so different to what they study they end up leaving the course.
2025-07-16 21:45:43
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Megatron :
Trainee ship would be a great model but classroom teachers are so tired. Teaching the students and a student teacher is so much work. It would help the next gen but the current teachers are just keeping their heads above water
2025-07-16 07:08:28
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Miss H in Oz :
Teacher of 24 years here. I completely agree!!!
2025-07-16 07:39:00
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laurenttttaylor :
Majority of my master of teaching content was useless
2025-07-16 00:17:26
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