@akhi_toji: Crazy post ngl #islam #muslimtiktok #response #muslim

B I L A L :

Imam Malik bin Anas – he says when praising his teacher Ibn Hurmuz (d.148 AH): "He was proficient in Kalam and refuted the people of desires. He was among the most knowledgeable of people regarding that which they differed in (i.e. these desires)." al-Fasawi and al-Khateeb set this narration forth in al-Ma'rifah wa al-Tareekh and al-Faqih wa al-Mutafaqqih (respectively) with an authentic chain going back to Imam Malik.

N :

They were condemning kalam of mutazilah not Ashari kalam😁

Toji :

A fantastic work where you can find a compilation of the statements of the 4 imams is this book.

mohammaddoesbjj🇧🇩🇳🇱 :

Maturiddiyah Alhamdulillah

sal :

dosent matter what you say, the hadith about muhammad fatih is all that we need for guidance

leinad :

what is ashari and maaturidi can some1 explain😭😭

Abdurrahman Memon :

please learn what asharis and maturidis believe. yes kalam is used but the "framework" is taken from.the Qur'an and sunnah then kalam is used under certain conditions. may Allah guide us all

Yakub_Akhi :

akhi whats your view on the hadith he used about asharia

Ddndnd :

Kalām is blameworthy before doubts arise (since it disturbs simple īmān), but becomes praiseworthy after doubts spread — as a defensive shield.

Beidak :

Baraka allahu feek

GONZO :

gogmagogkillah :

Embrace the Sunnah (Islam Iman and Ihsan)

Kingoumar953 :

What is ilm ul kalam?

Ghaith :

What is theologically rhetoric?

MuslimInsectKeeper🏳️🏴 :

muhawwid❤

z.abs_ :

Asharis aren’t actually even the followers of imam ashari

WMIS_22 :

the key is balance. if you lean on the traditional creed too much, you risk saying that Allah SWT wa AWJ have a literal and physical hand like those in creation. if you follow ilm Kalam too much then you risk straight up denying Allah's attributes or fall into the fallacies of human logic and the human mind. personally, I prefer the method of "ta'wil bila kayf" (that's the Arabic term if I'm not mistaken), which is interpreting without questioning how. it's by far the safest way you can go with. for example, I know that Allah has a hand, but fitting of his majesty, divinity and uniqueness, not like the hands of creation. even though I don't personally follow Ash'aris or Maturidis but it's straight up divisive to exclude them outside the fold of Ahlu Sunnah wal Jamaah. also, Kalam theology was developed as a way to defend Islam from being preyed on by Greek philosophy, specifically their metaphysics. I'm not saying that the original creed was insufficient, just that having answers can reassure the faith of the Muslims at the time when new questions were being asked following the introduction of Greek philosophy and metaphysics like I've mentioned. remember, our beloved prophet SAW and our lord always pressed- unity of the believers above all else. (surah Al hujurat, verse 10) here's a verse as proof for y'all, there's plenty more but I'll give an example. as long as both parties don't fall into each other's respective extremes, we're ALL Muslims. STOP DIVISIVE SECTARIANISM, EMBRACE ISLAMIC UNITY. jazakallahu khairan for taking your time to read my comment.

77373727 :

who do you have ijaaza from to speak on such matters / where have you studied?

Jibran :

Bro hid my comment 😭

Sub Alt :

Islamic @Chris Kunzler , can't unsee it

🐎KUMAR🧘🏻‍♂️ :

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Bachem :

They forgot athari creed is the default Islamic belief unlike maturidi and ashari was made up using philosophy lol

Mohammad :

Mālik → Nāfiʿ → Ibn ʿUmar → the Prophet ﷺ al-silsilah al-dhahabiyyah (our golden chain in Hadith) which one of them was an ashāri or maturidi?? 😂