@philosophyminis: Sometimes the best philosophy comes not from philosophers but from novelists. And Ursula Le Guin’s The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas is one of the most memorable ethical dilemmas you can get. It goes like this. Imagine a perfectly happy city known as Omelas. Everyone has everything they need. Everyone lives a life of pleasure. Everything is a smiling, dancing utopia—or so it seems. Because in a dark basement somewhere in Omelas, a small child is locked away and tortured. She lives in filth, her belly empty, surviving on scraps, and she is sporadically beaten. We learn that for whatever reason the people of Omelas can have this perfect utopia, but only at the cost of one tortured child. Now, as children come of age in Omelas, they are shown this suffering child. Some are horrified and furious; some shrug their shoulders; but most go back to their lives and make peace with it. Yet a few—a small minority—choose to walk away. They walk away from Omelas. The question Le Guin asks is: how much cruelty, sadism, and injustice would we be willing to tolerate in order to achieve a flourishing, happy society? And can you ever build a utopia while even one member of it is condemned to such misery? So what would you do? If I showed you the horrors and suffering our society inflicts to sustain itself—would you stay in it, or would you walk away?

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junglelogicx
JungleLogic :
Basically capitalism
2025-11-10 04:08:31
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morejump.more
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but the ones who walk away also allow for the suffering of the child to continue. they just feel better about themselves when they’re not directly benefiting from the suffering, but they don’t do anything to change it
2025-11-10 08:19:57
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jeroenrombouts
Jeroen Rombouts :
Everyone in the west is obviously staying. Our current living standards *are* dependent on suffering in poorer countries.
2025-11-10 09:17:18
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annrussell03
Ann Russell She/Her :
Act and rule. The answer is none. I cannot be happy while a child suffers. Because it might be my child
2025-11-10 07:48:51
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xyman685
Xyman :
It's not even an experiment. More like a provocative piece, food for thought. That's the difference between philosophers and writers: writers provide you with a starting point to think about, and philosophers provide you with the actual mechanics of thinking. Experiments should be unbiased, controlled for extraneous influences, and actually have an expected outcome that is verified in the process. It's not "what if X?", lol. The Omelas thing is just a hypothetical construct to make you 𝘧𝘦𝘦𝘭, it doesn't have viable solutions, because it is vague in its suppositions and doesn't follow logic.
2026-01-30 11:41:11
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mikwillis
mik :
I have long pondered this problem, having recognised it as a child. In my youth I was politically active and involved in human rights. In my middle age I was trying to create safe spaces, and change my own behaviours. Now I am old, beaten, and generally failed, I have come to understand there is nowhere on this world to "walk away" to. ALL human endeavour is built on suffering of others, even when one does not create suffering, one lives in, and operates through, a society which actively causes suffering as a survival mechanism.
2025-11-10 23:54:15
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user2319713163402
Jamie :
Stay? Walk away? I'm freeing the child.
2025-11-09 22:36:33
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ih8youtwo
🇨🇦PROUDLYEH :
Isn't that GAZA
2025-11-10 04:41:19
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pipikakus
pipikakus :
the thing about capitalism is that the child still suffers, but our smiling and dancing utopia is nowhere to be seen.
2025-11-10 17:07:08
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roaringwish
Roaringwish Art & Design :
None of us are free until all of us are free.
2025-11-10 15:58:55
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michaeltang324
Michael :
I don't like the story because it hides the truth that a lot of people in this society actually suffer for no good causes. They are just exploited or ignored
2025-11-09 20:38:58
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melkoremperious
melkoremperious :
I always use this story as the counter to utilitarianism.
2025-11-09 20:17:00
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valentinemoran2
Valentine Moran :
We all have chosen. We stay in it.
2025-11-10 06:03:53
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gregor_mack_1
Gregormac29 :
You dont have the option to walk away. The capitalist exploitation continues and is world wide.
2025-11-10 06:46:25
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appleuser89559680
Gloom2Bloom :
I think the answer is thst we are all staying in it because here we all are on TikTok.
2025-11-10 06:22:25
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askaflerkenkitty
AskAFlerkenkitty :
There's a Doctor Who episode bringing up this dilemma, can't remember the name of it though
2025-11-10 06:26:50
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napsandflapjacks
NapsandFlapjacks :
Why does society need cruelty, suffering and injustice to sustain itself?
2025-11-11 09:46:08
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cailew1
Aile :
How much cruelty and suffering do we tolerate now? Quite a lot, no?
2025-11-09 20:01:22
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userg6cm5aykuc
MyGrace :
Obviosly majority, me included, are staying and just trying with our own choises as veganism, to diminish the suffering of other species. And look away with all the news about wars, genocides and intensive animal production 😥.
2025-11-10 09:03:03
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monster_mama_anna
Anna :
this is kinda like the Dr Who ep with the big space whale
2025-11-10 09:15:15
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richard_ku
Richard Ku🇨🇦 :
Wouldn’t the suffering of an individual mean it’s not a utopia?
2025-11-10 21:44:47
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enembius
Enembius :
I’ll take my Utopia please. I’ve managed to turn a blind eye to the suffering of others in real life, I’m sure I can do it in Omelas.
2025-11-10 09:39:55
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wolfe1798
Wolfe1798 :
Ursula Le Guin was one of the most underrated Sci-fi novelists.
2025-11-12 01:30:22
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lotavhanelutombon
Lotty :
Reminds me of the anime Dororo. Hyakkimaru’s body was sacrificed to demons in exchange for the land’s prosperity. When he began his journey to reclaim his body parts, the land was struck by natural disasters and famine, and people started calling him selfish. They couldn’t understand why he wouldn’t simply accept life without his limbs, hearing, sight, voice, heart, everything that had been taken from him for the “greater good.” When asked why he wanted his body back, knowing that thousands of people were alive because of that sacrifice and that restoring himself would mean their suffering, he simply replied “Because it’s mine.” People who don't work for their prosperity don't deserve to enjoy it.
2025-11-19 09:06:24
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julie_stinker_gizmo
.:Julie:. :
did anyone try to save the child? 🥺
2025-11-10 10:50:32
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