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Freem :
Their major disagreements were on the topic of federalism vs centralism in the iwa. Marx, being a statist, wanted to centralise the iwa into a political party capable of conquering state power. Bakunin on the contrary, viewed this as bourgeois politics, he advocated revolutionary proletarian politics. Politics that actively negate the bourgeois through the self activity and free association of workers, hence federalism.
2026-04-15 01:00:52
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Order Without Rulers :
The first time I read Bakunin was as electrifying as the first time I read Marx. Someone mentions it below but I’m also reading The First Socialist Schism about Marx/Bakunin split but I’m only 3 chapters in and this point need to just start over. I’ve got the actual book but it’s free in the Anarchist library and maybe the Marxist Archives online too. Shame to see Bakunin not do as well in Spontex numbers because I think he (Bakunin) could help a lot of the TikTok left become so much better commies. I wanna add on his “anti-semitism” that his remarks were typical and/or usual slurs against Jewish folks of their day but applied to the like of Marx (personal feuds) and Rothschilds (figureheads of a group representative of the system he opposed and dedicated his life to fight), not that it makes it much better but we all know that Marx dropped N-bombs himself. My only point is both of them were at their best when arguing systems and not morals. So many TikTok lefties pull Liberal Moralism into their politics, it’s just made actual bigots become better evolved to hiding their hate and weaponizing the state to legalize the same hate. Just look at how this post alone has shown how the west train everyone into treating their politics like a team-sports match between opponents when the human species is a collective of its own and we need a system that suits us all and human nature the same. Choosing Anarchism vs Communism is just as silly to me as picking Democrat vs Republican (American Politics) when essentially we’re talking the same shit but using different words or strategies to acheive the same end goals.. I think the Bismarck quote on Blacks and Reds getting their shit together is one of the best quotes on the feud and a damn shame it has to come from the right wing to see it. Numbers would double over night but the anarchists and communists BOTH hate each other when they should be comrades. Just my opinion. I’ve spent a few years trying to build that bridge and all I hear all day is dogma.
2026-04-14 22:32:47
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isaac :
the USSR did not do what Marx said
2026-04-14 17:35:10
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Ravachol :
What's really interesting is that in spite of how acrimonious their feud would become, Bakunin held Marx in high regard as a theorist: "I have to acknowledge that he has enormous merits for the cause of socialism, which he has been serving intelligently, energetically and loyally for almost 25 years now […] undoubtedly more than any of us. He was one of the first and almost the main founder of the Intern. Association – in my view an enormous merit which I will always acknowledge, whatever he has done against us." If you haven't read it, I recommend Eckhartd's The First Socialist Schism.
2026-04-14 18:57:22
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another day another banger :
> Bakunin has become a monster, a huge mass of flesh and fat, and is barely capable of walking any more. To crown it all, he is sexually perverse and jealous of the seventeen year-old Polish girl who married him in Siberia because of his martyrdom. Marx to Engels in Manchester | 12 September 1863
2026-04-14 22:19:08
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mhysa :
i'm gonna be so honest i thought they were gonna kiss at the end of that comic strip. i'm kind of disappointed.
2026-04-15 12:07:53
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Destructive/critic :
marx never said that the proletariat should form a new state or take control of it.
2026-04-23 08:17:38
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ROBAMERCADONAS :
Why did he hated the state?
2026-04-14 21:20:14
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Big Rig 🇨🇦 :
My main problem with anarchism as a Marxist is that what is required to bring about anarchism is never talked about in great detail and when it there is an attempt to detail material actions it’s very rarely anything that rises beyond the level of the individual. I do think it has its place. It works great in very remote regions or while in a state of war i.e. the English, Spanish, Russian, and Syrian civil wars. Ultimately, as a Marxist, I believe that ideologies take root in a society and become dominant because there is a material basis for that ideology. Thus in my view Marxism WILL become dominant globally… eventually. Who knows, maybe there will be 20 different class systems between now and a stateless, moneyless, and classless society. I want to add a point here that’s kinda unrelated but will make everyone kind of appreciate living in a class society. I used to like to apply Marxist theory to all sorts of random things. One day I thought "being alive is the result of contradictions between different functions and needs of the body. So dying is the settling of those contradictions. If class contradictions are settled then there would be significantly less conflict, it would still exist between individuals for petty reasons and biological reasons both. The point being that art and music would still be pretty in a classless society but it would lack most if not all meaning. The body continues to exist after it dies but the part the interests us is gone. Same with society in a way.
2026-04-15 03:39:27
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🏳️⚧️Ira🇻🇦⛧🏴 :
Bakunin was so real for that
2026-04-25 00:12:40
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Karlee Marx :
I really thought they were going to kiss in that last panel 😭
2026-04-19 11:10:33
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Hnnyf :
Kropotkin >>
2026-07-15 23:56:56
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sheebdog :
Ah.. I see now.
2026-04-14 17:42:15
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Alessio :
rare L Marx, kinda common L young Marx
2026-04-22 17:25:54
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Esma :
He was also a big (literally and figuratively) anti-Semite.
2026-04-14 17:35:21
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chico :
have you read tiqqun ? theyre a french ultraleft magazine . its pretty heavily influenced by insurrectionism .
2026-04-21 15:04:54
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