@secular_pro_life: Behavior is communication, and ultrasounds reveal that even 23-week fetuses display facial expressions of acute pain. With John Bockmann #abortion #abortiondebate #secularprolife

HighOnADHDv4 :

Zack Ford :

what does a grown woman feel when dealing with an ectopic pregnancy?

ManBearZac :

pain is an evolutionary adaptation to avoid potentially damaging things. The amygdala creates the hormones, but the reflexes and avoidant behavior to a dangerous external stimulus are present nearly immediately.

josesantiago3639 :

Yeah we also thought babies couldn’t either

Dr D :

the amygdala is developed enough by 15 weeks that all the hallmarks of self preservation are there. pain receptors develop around the same time.

Shah Shaba :

Guys they don’t care. If you pay attention to online discourse they’re finally admitting that they don’t care whether it’s “alive” or not and that it’s just about the mother’s “autonomy”. I believe the argument now is “name another instance where someone has the right to another persons body”.

mtelkkiller :

reflexes ......to pain.

DeclanTheDestroyer :

fetuses can't feel pain until ~24 weeks so you don't really have much of a point here

Amira :

I know that my dog is in pain, because it’s highly likely that my dog is conscious.

Brody :

without the thalamo-cortical connection, you can’t feel pain. your dog has that, sheep have that, bears, lions, etc

HighOnADHDv4 :

I see a few straw man arguments here….

notsuperranger :

This is what we call a false equivalence. Pain reflexes are the same thing as having a sensory response to pain. And they are compared a fully developed dog to a developing fetus.

azurecxikh7 :

so since pain response is the threshold, we all going vegan right?

Danielle :

People get really mad when you make them think about abortion and murder..

Jordyn Hart :

If I wanted a man’s opinion about my body, I would have sex with him but stfu