@antifascistdad: About 30% of this episode was rooted in data, leaving 70% in the zone of intuition, opinion, speculation or anecdote. This would be okay if there was a clear line between “now I’m presenting data” vs “now I’m giving an opinion.” No such luck. And: the bulk of the episode is a contradiction. An appeal for unity in leftist discourse without defining leftism beyond cartoons of fringe groups unified by nothing but a lack of sincerity and maturity. (Second of 3 reels on the formal limitations of long-form creator punditry.) #Doomscroll #LeftPolitics #MediaCriticism #OnlinePolitics#ContraPoints
I really appreciate how youre articulating what I’ve noticed online with folks like Contrapoints. I’m curious to hear your thoughts on Catherine Liu’s work regarding the professional managerial class.
2026-04-27 15:33:27
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blender :
And contrapoints has always done that. Reducing subsects down to funny characterizations made her go viral, and I loved those videos. But i think she is stuck in that world: where people don't change or grow, and where current events don't affect public consciousness. She's certainly an expert on 2014 online discourse.
2026-04-27 11:06:06
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namenamename :
any analysis of "why the left doesn't win" that doesn't start and end with some mention of funding is a wild take.
2026-04-27 20:15:50
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Ian Borsuk :
Doom Scroll is mostly "Do you want to waste 2+ hours of your life reaffirming why you don't consume this person's content?"
2026-04-27 11:12:29
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Lesleyyy :
I’m glad you’re able to break this down because when I think about Natalie’s rightward turn I get so angry I become incoherent.
2026-04-27 14:09:34
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Taiaha :
it was a 3-hour fart-huffing session, lets be real
2026-04-29 12:33:02
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JDHD :
The thing that rly disappoints me is when people value seeming wise and cynical over the vulnerability of caring earnestly about something and fighting a fight you might lose. is this the vibe of the video?
2026-04-27 21:48:28
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0 :
yes exactly
2026-04-28 10:00:14
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ibrahim :
I think the enlightenment question was stupid but I feel like the critique you're making about Contrapoints's empirical blind spot regarding the leftists who are unconcerned with political victory is actually pretty narrow - you can see those people every day on social media it's just that Contrapoints overestimates their size, but I didn't get the impression that this was a load-bearing assumption in a greater political manifesto
2026-04-27 18:45:05
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Don't bomb children. :
"Mine is informed by finding people doing positive things." that would be a powerful mental shift for me. who do you recommend because I am drowning in doomerism.
2026-04-28 01:16:57
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Coco :
Enjoying this series! Very thoughtful.
2026-04-27 13:46:06
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evrybdy4evrinfinitysymbl :
looking forward to the next one!
2026-04-27 14:26:21
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wut :
something something optimism of the will something something
2026-04-28 00:18:52
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namenamename :
the enlightenment part of the convo made me literally gasp at work it was so nonsensical and reductive.
2026-04-27 20:13:58
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Muzaffar Ahmad Wani :
it's podcast.
2026-04-27 23:07:37
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Fredy Alexandrakis :
I don’t necessarily see the harm in having non-experts discuss political issues - i feel the obsession with authority can sometimes stifle discourse and leave us with takes from a handful of phds and a million joe rogans; intellectuals tend to be more self-conscious about appearing “ignorant” - although 3h20 does seem excessive… i think wynn is dead-on in describing the motivations of some of her detractors and the general vibe on twitter, but agree they are probably not a fair representation of “the left” more broadly
2026-04-27 11:56:27
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yt: crowbarology :
I think to steelman her critique, it sounds like she's talking about left melancholics and that's more of an issue than just vibes. She's hardly the first one to argue that MLs and the like are not all in it to govern or liberate
2026-04-27 20:46:28
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Delicata the Squash :
That enlightenment thing is wild. Socialism and most of what we now call the left started as an attempt to achieve what the enlightenment promised but failed to deliver. Are they asking if we should abandon trying to achieve liberty, equality, and solidarity?
2026-04-27 20:41:07
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charly :
Communism is when no contrarian status 😭
2026-04-28 00:24:37
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Carnavaliaa :
I mean, I think there’s truth to what she’s saying. I’m sorry but that online marginal minority is what defined the impression the left. As someone who lives with people who describes themselves as ”not being too political“, that’s just the image they have of people on the left. They may be a minority but they define the conversation. You claim that it’s about holding the leaders fit to the fire but when all the algorithm rewards and shows is people doing this, it can reflect an image more of a movement cannibalizing itself than actual showing anything appealing for the average person. And I think denying that is a massive issue that’s equivalent to burying your head in the sand.
2026-04-28 11:22:37
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DEBUNK ALL DAY :
the other issue I have with this critique is that you have this issue with them taking a multi-disciplinary and multi-role approach. but this is well within the broad left tradition. marx & engels, chomsky, lenin, mao, zizek all synthesize a myriad of disciplines and influences to reach a number of conclusions about the world. you could argue this was done more poorly, but you never actually say that. indeed, you don't really take issue with any of the claims other than calling them cynical
2026-04-27 13:36:29
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Audrey June :
“expressing frustration for being an internet celeb” has kind of been Wynn’s most well known characteristic since 2018 when she reacted poorly to social media feedback on a video. as a viewer who appreciates much of her content i have found that canon event to be the source of both her view of the left, the internet, and the trans community and those same communities’ views of her. it’s certainly walled her off from everyone else and prevented her from having and kind of ongoing conversation with the rest of these communities—which is how you end up flattening everyone else into caricatures.
2026-04-27 22:51:59
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Maxxim Hunter :
thank you, no more posture olympics. liberal politics are as real as tinkerbell
2026-04-29 01:53:05
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