@friedachann: #orientalism #muslim #fyp #xybca #middleeast

joyjammer :

well the harem women were also trapped ? and they did what they have to so they can survive there, also the concept of harem is haram and was mostly culture set by Muslim men it was a horrible place don't u hate culture and it's not religion why u praising that as if the women there liked it

user02873172936 :

What is this?

thegerminator0 :

The accusation against the West in the vid is misleading. People act like concern over Muslim women’s treatment in their own societies is just some recent Western narrative shift from “seductress femme fatales” to “oppressed women,” when criticism of these norms has existed for generations and was never exclusively Western to begin with. Women, reformers, and activists across the Middle East and South Asia have been criticizing the engrained treatment of women, long before current online discourse. Cases like Mahsa Amini, restrictions on women in Afghanistan, guardianship systems, compulsory veiling laws, honor unaliving, and unequal divorce laws are just some examples of the very real oppression, it is ongoing, and deeply rooted historically - not some invented modern Western perception.

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𝚊𝚣𝚎𝚎𝚕ᛝ :

source?

امیر ♛ :

What does this mean

Arman :

the women in harem were mostly female captive from non muslims

☦BaldwinIVᵀᴳ𒉭 :

what

Oberyn Alexkom :

What you want to dismiss as rhetoric is also real suffering for millions. It's not just changed narrative. It's aso changing reality. There used to be many monarchies/chiefdoms with harems - & the harem women were definitely not free people & oppressed but women's rights didn't get much importance back in those days. Now after global abolishment of slavery the Muslim societies do not have harems. Women's rights also have gotten a lot of attention. Now anyone can look into the data an verify how women are treated in islam & in Muslim communities.

y :

but women are oppressed in Afghanistan 😭 yes some Muslim women live well in other Muslim countries but that’s not that case for Afghan women

★Angel :

wth

! :

They were referring to ottoman women btw

Arman :

Yall are missing the point

hamtastic :

people just saying shi now

just random guy :

@MominTheBeliever

࿗ Sayn ࿗ :

Islam is precisely why we know Belly dance doesn’t originate from North Africa or the Middle East/west Asia. Cause everything associated with Belly dance is fundamentally opposite to Arab and Mena traditions.

sbbbbb88 :

Well they’re not wrong? Look how Muslim women are treated in their home countries. Thankfully the younger generation are waking up and realising their cultures are oppressive

Haya Lilllah :

This applied way more to West Asia and North Africa. Even today Egyptian dance is extremely secksualized by non-natives.

primalcillian :

And men in Muslim countries see white women as promiscuous and easy but I don’t see any Muslim women trying to break those stereotypes because it doesn’t affect them and no dressing modestly doesn’t make you oppressed but if you give your family shame for not dressing a certain way then that’s oppression

݁ ˖ ۫ ꣑ৎ :

They still won’t leave muslim women alone till this day you just kinda gotta get used to it over with the time sadly

Beans 🇦🇺🇮🇹 :

It depends, Mary Shelley characterises her Christian-Turkish character Safie as a devout and strong willed individual, but one who is oppressed under Muslim culture (which she pretty overtly describes as one in which women are viewed as appendages to men, not providing them any of the ‘spiritual freedom’ or bodily autonomy that is provided in the west, which, at the time, was extremely little anyway). This was 200 years ago in the 1800’s, and the narrative is the exact same as it is today. I think the ‘seductress/femme fatale’ tropes actually derive from the enslaved women of the harem, who were specifically chosen due to their appearance and sensuality.

⭐hisoka'spersonalpunchbag :

where did you get this from? Muslim women were always oppressed

emilyston0 :

This is a stupid argument. Muslim countries HAVE changed a ton in the last 200 years. Religion isn’t static and countries have gone through periods of liberalism and conservatism. Which BTW Islamic conservatism has had a massive and widespread revival in the past 60 years. Which if anything contradicts your point here.

Clown :

Lmfao that’s because fundamental pan Islamism had not become a thing yet. Islam was on its way to relative secularization but unlike the progressive movement in the west the college educated intellectuals of the Muslim world embraced hardline fundamentalism lmaoooo. Also this was still oppression lmao.