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Nicole Annette 🇨🇦 :
As a historian, I’m not sure I fully agree with this take. While Outlander is fiction, using a presentist lens on people of the past (even in fiction, which are still based on people of that time period) can skew our understanding. This isn’t to say coercion did not exist in the past; it certainly did, but I don’t know if painting Jamie as some sort of possible villain (whether intentional or not) is useful. To be frank, had he not been willing and understanding and believing of Claire, she would have been executed for witchcraft. Sometimes we have to understand people in the past in the context of their time. She was navigating a world as a woman of the 1940s who had just come out of a wartime period that already pushed gender roles, giving her more confidence and assertiveness. Jamie is navigating a world 200 years in the past previous to that, one in which has rigid gender roles, a long and tumultuous relationship between the English and the Scots, and one where many were not well-educated in terms of formal education, which meant many did not have the same abilities as many of us are privileged to have now. While I do understand the idea that the marriage was coercive, again, we have to understand how people navigated those time periods. Yes, women were considered property, but this take of “women had no control/they were property/everything was coercive” can sometimes take away women’s agency. Yes, they faced immense oppression, but again, as a historian, I work from a postmodern feminist and relational lens that invites the reasoning that two things can be true at once. While women’s agency may certainly be constrained within patriarchy, the idea that there may never be any “true” choice, does inadvertently take away any agency women have, especially women of the past.
2026-06-07 12:12:16
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Pris West :
There is a clearly coercively controlling dynamic at play on tge reality series The Valley and in s1 the woman in that relationship said he number one fantasy/crush was Jamie Fraser from Outlander 🙃
2026-06-04 21:37:37
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Adrienne__Danielle :
As a book fan and not a show fan I think you might have boiled down what I think they failed when they made the show. The books were better and a good majority of it we read from Clair’s perspective. So much of their dynamic didn’t feel or seem the same in the show.
2026-06-22 14:56:48
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Peaches Castle Quietly :
I’d really like to see some tiktoks on the evolution of romance in film and how it relates to the time/environment.
2026-06-04 21:11:11
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Nicole Lynn :
I am confused. I can see and understand what you're taking about in regards to the first two seasons/books (I think) because Claire really didn't have a choice... but after she returns to her time and then willing rejoins Jamie in the past, is that still coercive control? Because she worked to get back to him... Disclaimer: I stopped reading in the middle of book 5 and stopped watching in season 5
2026-06-06 04:02:21
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slightlykooky🍉🇦🇺 :
🤔 Have you actually watched the series or just the synopsis?
2026-06-05 15:53:39
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Faunagirl :
That show literally traumatized me. It does it slowly then all of a sudden she’s getting abused almost all the time and it’s always the pattern. It took me a while to realize it . I stopped watching m… I don’t know during what season. I just couldn’t take it anymore.
2026-06-05 04:37:57
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BaronessVonGinger :
I feel like the draw for a lot of women on that book series is what my friend calls competency p**n. Claire is the smartest most educated person in every room she walks into. And never once does Jaimee talk down to her or treat her like she’s stupid. And that I think is the hook that pulls you into what is not a very healthy relationship otherwise. Jaimee was constantly pissing me off and yet… I kept reading those books.
2026-06-04 22:12:27
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Kendra Jaymes 🫦 :
Another show I haven’t watched or book I have not read 🤣 but I can talk about how much I did NOT like Derek Shepard and him being …. Was the best thing that happened to Meredith
2026-06-04 20:54:04
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tinkergnomad 🏳️🌈💜🆘❌ :
🫶 Oh heck yeah! I love deconstructing "romance!"
2026-06-04 21:13:59
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Leah :
wtf are you talking about? THIS is what you’re calling coercive control? Claire unknowingly traveled backwards in time. A secret she had to keep from the people around her in the 1700s because it sounds crazy. At the time of their marriage, NO ONE knows Claire’s secret. They’re not controlling her. They’re trying to keep her from being graped by blackjack Randall bc literally that was the time frame. Jamie did not force her hand in marriage and he never forced her to have sexual intimacy with him. Never. Again. He didn’t even know about her other marriage. She told everyone he was dead bc she needed to think on her feet. But it isn’t bc of the Mackenzie or Fraser men around her that had become her friends by then—including Jamie—coercing her into anything. At the time, bc it was the law, that was the hand they were dealt. Jamie was on the run from black jack Randall himself. They were helping each other escape. The intention was a good one. Coercion and control are both intentional. This is not present in Jamie Fraser.
2026-06-04 22:37:36
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