it reminds me how we say ancient egypt for a span of time when it was like multiple different time periods in that “ancient period” like cleopatra being closer to us then the building of the pyramid of giza
2026-06-15 14:38:28
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FriendlyNeighborhoodLightskin :
There’s an interview on Youtube titled “George RR Martin on the age of heroes” where he addresses this directly. Characters like Bran the builder would to have lived for like 400 years according to the maesters. Unfortunately he says in the same interview that he probably wouldn’t ever write the real history
2026-06-15 16:37:16
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zondarkthesecond :
Otto Hightower caused the long night
2026-06-18 08:19:52
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knuckles4twelve :
2500 lines up really good with the real world if you substitute the bronze age collapse for the long night. 1200-1100 bce bronze age collapse would put present 1300-1400 ce. and that would line up nicely with aegon/william the conqueror. i think you are cooking
2026-06-16 04:49:03
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activemuffin :
It’s like the Sumerian kings list where the first 8 rulers before the flood ruled for 250k years. Heck even the first Sumerian king we know existed is said to have ruled for 900 years.
2026-06-16 00:21:20
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ThatGuy2906 :
Sam is goated for letting us know‼️
2026-06-15 14:09:34
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Sidney :
Ohh boy this has my wheels turning 🙇♀️💭 gonna need my notes lol!!
2026-06-15 18:10:52
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nathan.atkzz :
If what the person says starts with we know Aegon landed 300 years ago, then we know they know nothing 😭😭, Aegon is like the grandkid of Lord aenar Targaryen who flew to dragonstone 400 years before the main story
2026-06-15 21:04:34
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creamsicle 🇵🇷 :
oh this actually makes a lot of sense!! i also always thought the way Leaf says that felt oddly recent (for a long lived race like the Children), and 8,000 years is such a long time that it felt like an absurd number. i'm immediately adding this to my headcanon 🙂↕️
2026-06-15 14:40:11
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Hannah 🩷 :
you know, you've convinced me!! I first I was like "nah it's just that George doesn't understand numbers" but honestly, with all the information, especially the quotes he himself has given, as well as Sam's, I believe you're right. it's like when Avatar Roku says he's lived 1000 lives or 10000 or whatever but now we know that there were only like 150 avatars in total. like when people don't know a number they just say a very large one and call it a day. and this would make the insane longevity of the Westerosi noble houses make a bit more sense too. for humans, something happening 2000 years ago or 8000 years ago is functionally the same thing, even if the actual difference is massive. we can't understand numbers that big when it comes to years
2026-06-18 10:09:23
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Casefitz :
I’m obsessed with dissecting the timeline. You have to use so many clues- architecture, religion, migrations, songs/stories, etc etc. I love it
2026-06-17 06:25:40
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ale :
It does make more sense if it was like that, that means it might be just a couple generations between the original children of the forest and the current ones since they have long lifespan instead of hundreds of generations
2026-06-15 17:24:21
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maramckenzielevine :
Not really connected to the main point but Michael Talks About Stuff on YouTube put together I think a convincing argument that the Night’s King was Bran the Builder late in his life. Would add a cool wrinkle to the story because that would mean his son or grandson Bran the Breaker would’ve been the person who defeated him
2026-06-16 22:48:05
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TobiasRichards :
Faaaaaacts!!!!!
2026-06-16 14:48:14
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grey_kage :
Didn’t TWOIAF have a section where the maesters mention they have no fucking clue how old shit is
2026-06-15 22:57:21
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faethefoxgirl :
Grrm is one of the bedt world builders i have ever seen… but with that said never let that man near a real number ever again 😭 between the timeline with single families being alive for thousands of years (with barely any cousins or cadet branches) and the wall being so absurdly tall even grrm regretted it and the numbers in everyones armies it takes you out of the narrative the second you think about it
2026-06-17 18:21:11
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Don :
so what do you think about how long the gem stone emoters and god on earth supposedly ruled do you think that time is also extremely exaggerated too
2026-06-15 14:42:26
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Todd :
8000 is just so bloated for no reason
2026-06-15 16:56:38
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case :
I think this is a good argument but the leaf point is odd because it’s a cut that’s still bleeding, they are actively dying and going extinct
2026-06-16 02:14:22
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Lizabetsy :
Who’s been saying it was 8000? You know what. Don’t answer. I know…. I know…. Omg 🤣🤣🤣
2026-06-15 19:56:17
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joseph :
I always thought there was just a long period of unwritten prehistory. if the targs are the Normans, the andals Anglo Saxons, then the First Men are the Celts/Britons (which would put the Singers as fae or the fairies). the Britons like the First Men, did not have a written language (the First Men had runes but im not sure if they invented those later or not). not to mention the Britons were descended from the Yamnaya, who wiped out almost the entire Neolithic farmers of Britain, similar to how the First Men g3nocided the Singers. idk, I've always thought of Westerosi history in direct parallels to British history (the island not the modern country). 8000 years ago is probably when the First Men began migrating to Westeros i think
2026-06-15 16:49:40
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