@samuelszuchan: The Atlantic Council and Fitch Ratings called China's debt strategy "extend and pretend." They meant it as criticism. It's actually the most accurate description of how the system is designed to work. In November 2024, Beijing launched a 10 trillion yuan refinancing program. It swaps high-cost LGFV debt for lower-cost provincial bonds. Victor Shih at Carnegie estimates the interest savings at roughly 120 billion yuan per year. That's less than 0.1 percent of GDP. It's a mechanism for spreading the cost over time. As of October 2025, more than 70 percent of LGFVs have been formally closed or restructured under this program. But here's what "closed" actually means: the entity gets wound down, its functions absorbed by provincial governments, its bonds either rolled into official government debt or quietly extended. The number of vehicles goes down. The amount of debt they represent does not. Beijing denied hidden liabilities for years. Then in November 2024, it finally acknowledged 14.3 trillion yuan, about 2 trillion dollars, of hidden local government debt. The IMF's estimate for the same category that year was four times higher. Even the admission was an extension of the pattern: acknowledge a fraction, refinance that fraction, continue absorbing the rest. The 2022 Zunyi restructuring was the template. Twenty-one banks rolled over 15.6 billion yuan by extending the loans to twenty years. No principal for the first ten. Caixin called it unprecedented. It was unprecedented for about six months, because then other LGFVs started doing the same thing. Extending and pretending is what the system does. That is its feature, not a bug. The question was never whether China would default on this debt. The question is how many decades of compressed growth a billion depositors will quietly absorb. And that question doesn't have a deadline attached to it.

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esti15sa
ESTI :
but at what cost?
2026-06-19 22:33:47
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clive.siek
Cynic :
Isn’t USA’s debt-to-GDP ratio even worse than China’s?
2026-06-20 02:49:24
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wubbypie
Wubbypie :
when the debt collapse happens, its going to happen everywhere. the US aint exactly debt free
2026-06-20 19:20:43
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mynamestartswithjsteed
🇨🇦Joshua Steed🇨🇦 :
Debt is irrelevant. Real resources (human capital, labour-hours, natural resources, IP) are what actually matters. Unless and until those run short, debt is just a number
2026-06-20 00:02:05
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vacateddata01
Alex Shingler :
The uk runs a 100% debt gdp ratio. Like what?
2026-06-20 07:32:01
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gersonshawl
gerson :
The US has a debt-to-GDP ratio of 120% if we don’t fix our defect we’re in more trouble than china…
2026-06-20 00:29:23
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iinepnepii
wozthewoz :
nothing happens
2026-06-20 01:31:11
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lmaoyespls
lmaoyespls :
US courts are independent? lolwat
2026-06-20 12:38:02
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amybky
🫂 :
weird pronunciation of analyst
2026-06-19 22:23:50
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aiexpertiz
manolo :
Too many competent leaders
2026-06-20 00:23:57
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thesavageeatective
The Savage Eatective :
This rusty economy is now far bigger than the US in GDP PPP terms.
2026-06-20 05:30:07
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chindobeautea
ℌαոοіꙮℍαոոαһ :
‘But at what cost?’
2026-06-20 02:50:53
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applecanary7
applecanary :
meanwhile us debt is now 125% of us gdp
2026-06-20 18:08:50
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arcirionc
Arc :
Sooo unregulated capitalism causes this, not debt
2026-06-20 16:27:49
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underc0vertoyota
underc0vertoyota :
The USA is predicted this as if the USA debt to GPD isnt over 100%
2026-06-20 16:11:32
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rhinestonesnstuds
Rhinestones水钻💎 :
Stop saying analyst like that
2026-06-20 08:59:42
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aross337
Transfem Lee Oliver :
The us is in more debt btw
2026-06-20 07:12:43
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ehabelrashidy
Ehab Elrashidy :
I'd rather the stock market not go up as much if I could afford housing. why would I need my 401k to be so high if I'm only paying like $300/mo for my property
2026-06-20 05:07:38
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zzzz4321234
zzz :
even the clock is right twice a day
2026-06-20 06:28:57
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cloroxchewables
cloroxchewables :
Your comparing private citizen and corporate debts to national debts held through bonds which doesn’t work the same. National debt will always exist as long as the bonds do, and can’t be written off like private debts. US debt can’t be written off like that. And we hold a 123% ratio.
2026-06-20 06:46:06
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kaz838017
Kaz :
You really can just do things.
2026-06-20 13:37:27
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countrybumpkin1286
Rick :
The US is 122% debt to gdp ratio. but the US government can export inflation printing more money since other countries will have to devalue their currency.
2026-06-20 16:58:15
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desct70
desct70 :
odd why no one talked about the US debt to GDP?
2026-06-20 14:51:14
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