@samuelszuchan: China's Communist Party was not led by the poor. It was led by people promised something by their education who couldn't get it. For the better part of 1,300 years, China ran the imperial examination system, the keju. A clever boy from a small landowning family could study the Confucian classics, pass staged exams, and become a magistrate. Every ambitious family oriented around it. Every village schoolhouse trained for it. In 1905, the Qing abolished it. New modern schools were promised as replacements. Most were never built. The Qing fell six years later. The republic that replaced it had warlords running provinces and couldn't pay salaries. So now you had a massive supply of credentialed young men and no orderly route for them to redeem their credentials for status. Economists Ying Bai and Ruixue Jia published a paper in Econometrica in 2016 analyzing 262 prefectures across China. The result was clean. Prefectures with higher per-capita exam quotas before 1905 produced both more revolutionary recruits and more uprisings during the 1911 revolution that ended the dynasty. The complexity scientist Peter Turchin calls this elite overproduction: a society producing more elite aspirants than it has elite slots. The blocked aspirants don't give up on being elite. They mobilize the masses against the existing order. The masses provide the foot soldiers. The blocked elites provide the strategy, the ideology, and the cadre structure.
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Thursday 25 June 2026 14:00:00 GMT
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Ferdinand 🇵🇸 :
it's the Communist Party of China, not the Chinese Communist Party.
2026-06-25 14:12:11
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skore :
China is not unique in this. it has been the case basically everywhere that had an organic socialist revolution - in the USSR, Vietnam, Mongolia, North Korea, Albania, Cuba, Grenada etc. the parties were initially founded by the revolutionary intelligentsia and then expanded into the working classes via development of the party program.
2026-06-25 17:41:58
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Aart :
learning is fun
2026-06-26 11:28:36
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llllllllllll :
Pol Pot was also a rich kid studying in France.
2026-06-25 16:13:27
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Malegro Mucho :
and?
2026-06-25 21:45:56
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user9884649670555 :
Don’t see your point about Mao, his family was relatively well off but he was by no means expected to be an elite. What does being a librarian have to do with being an elite
2026-06-26 06:01:31
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Самотния Вълк🇧🇬☭ :
ok and?
2026-06-25 15:15:45
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ThomasSmith8582959 :
I've seen youre a real fan of this theory. its interesting, but it definitely lacks dialectical materialist theory.
2026-06-25 14:56:07
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カリナ_111 :
How about in the US?
2026-06-26 07:55:26
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o'shane :
so?
2026-06-25 16:57:39
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Roo Kang A :
What's your point?
2026-06-26 09:51:08
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Ayi Renaud Dossavi :
Spot on...
2026-06-25 17:05:36
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Jenny :
Deng Xiaoping studied in France
2026-06-25 21:14:16
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justrustmusic :
Okay?
2026-06-25 23:13:33
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maxfun :
Socialism and Communism is always created by Elite Overproduction.
2026-06-25 21:52:51
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silence porkus :
elite overproduction causes revolution except in the Philippines. It was a cunning peasant who framed local elites in their revolutionary activities. Imagine this, you are Dr Jose Rizal, opthalmologist and novelist, and rich playboy, you tour the world, hooking up with beautiful women in every continent when suddenly you are arrested by Spanish authorities in Cuba because half a world away Spanish collaborators were getting attacked and every time they raid a safe house, your name is prominently featured. And so you are martyred and this galvanized the local elites because if the Spanish executed the rich playboy cruising in the Caribbean half a world a way, who's next.
2026-06-25 14:31:15
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munaabageorge :
excellent
2026-06-25 15:00:17
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veritas.umbra.org :
yyy
2026-06-25 21:53:40
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Jenda :
Is this the plot of Red Rising ?
2026-06-25 15:05:52
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L’Islamo-Bolchevique :
So what ? The educated get class consciousness and spread it, it's the point of any vanguard party
2026-06-25 15:18:09
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l_ensk0816🇪🇺🚩 :
“the education system that the working class didn’t have access to was used to give the middle class their class conscious then resulting in organisation against the bourgeoisie”
2026-06-25 14:14:33
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☻ :
i mean, obviously? china was not an industrialised country at the time
2026-06-25 14:02:39
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Hawk2ah :
so a good quality of education caused someone to be left leaning?
2026-06-25 14:46:49
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Terry_thejerry_sniffer🏳️⚧️ :
the French revolution wa started by the middle class. simple history
2026-06-25 14:58:53
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PULSE 0702 :
are we supposed to be mad that the disenfranchised upperclassmen might empathise with the disenfranchised underclass and come up with a system to benefit them both?
2026-06-25 21:24:10
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