@_.sheilove: Replying to @Mike tldr: i don’t think this counts as up front in the same way, because he took her on a date first. It would be upfront if he said this before their first date. He let her get her hopes up, and then switched up before the second date. That makes it shitty, to me.
What the voice memo guy was doing was trying to negotiate HER ALREADY ESTABLISHED BOUNDARY.
He wasn't merely stating his preference, he was informed of her boundary and he chose to try to OVERCOME her boundary. To negotiate it away.
That's the red flag.
If he's looking for a prize for being a clear communicator, he ain't getting one. She was clear. He just didn't like it.
2026-07-10 23:16:01
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abogadamelissa :
It was an ultimatum
2026-07-11 02:00:34
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Jacki | Zayn Show SME 🌈👽🛸✨ :
I have people replying to my comment saying it wasn’t an ultimatum bc there was nothing to lose. 😭
2026-07-10 21:44:28
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Sommer :
What I think Mike doesn’t understand is that women do not have the same sex drive as men not even close. Sex is a means for reproduction and connection. As far as women usually are concerned we don’t do it for activity like men do.
2026-07-10 22:43:57
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Iraq lobster :
Objection: facts not in evidence. We have no knowledge what happened outside this voice note. We don’t know what they said to each other. Nor do we know what their profiles said. Also, he’s allowed to change his mind about what he wants from this interaction. There’s a lot of goalpost shifting in this discourse. Is it coercion? No. An ultimatum? No. Not upfront? Or is it the way he said it?
2026-07-11 00:14:54
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Leon Kennedy :
Why does losing out on a second date feel like a threat?
2026-07-11 01:10:11
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vickychase405 🇺🇸 🏳️🌈 :
Even gay men will protect other men!
2026-07-29 11:56:12
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Zazbo :
nah. nobody knows what they "want" before or during a first meet up, and even if there were some vague notion of whatever desire or goal there could possibly be, such inchoate sentiments can easily vanish or quickly change once confronted with the reality of an actual, messy and wholly compelling life before you. we all simply use whatever available tools of persuasion we possess during interactions of whatever kind to navigate and route our own intentions.
2026-07-11 17:01:31
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BischYouNasty :
He took her on a date, but it seems like from her comment that she said she "didn't know" or something, that it was brought up previously.
2026-07-11 19:04:00
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DangTruth :
Also they did talk about it on the first date as we assume. Sine he did say that she said, “ I don’t know about that” not disagreeing with you just correcting
2026-07-10 22:20:55
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Chalance :
And also, if she agrees to this sex date and she gets there, gets turned off, gets scared, or gets an ick for any reason, it becomes difficult if not dangerous to change her mind, because "she agreed to this." The whole thing feels extremely threatening. I would be a hard no.
2026-07-17 15:25:33
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365diva :
I think Mike represents how most gay men are seeing this discourse. It really doesn’t make sense to us.
2026-07-11 10:38:46
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peanut ☭ :
Absolutely
2026-07-10 21:24:59
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Jerry G. 💙💙💙💙 :
If I could find the Sheila of Michigan I would hire her immediately, to be my attorney.
2026-07-10 21:08:21
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Kenny’s mom :
Nailed it exactly
2026-07-10 23:47:39
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Divina Luz 🇧🇷 :
Red flag red flag
2026-07-11 06:45:43
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Kathy :
💯
2026-07-11 04:00:12
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jennifer :
Yes, exactly
2026-07-10 21:29:52
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Moo Christen Audhd 🐿 :
Fully agree
2026-07-10 21:06:41
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Erin :
Exactly
2026-07-10 22:22:49
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Susan1701 :
If he was innocent, they would not need so much filler information to try to prove otherwise. This is the biggest gasslighting thing i seen in a while. It is almost like they still don't understand.
2026-07-14 22:50:40
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Camino Dawg :
He was very upfront
2026-07-11 17:33:36
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Queen_Gi :
someone called it weaponized consent
2026-07-10 22:30:37
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Ellyn™ :
I did think Grindr is a fair comparison as Grin is a hook up app , so the expectation is there by being on G and not in the dating world or other apps NOTE: I'm not on G or any dating apps so am making assumptions from what I hear
2026-07-11 13:04:27
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yo_adienne :
you're so accurate because the apps that I am on are specific for hookups so I know what I'm getting myself into. nuff said
2026-07-10 22:41:29
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