@luxmeatok: Why do I use the language of Western supremacy to talk about the Odyssey? In the run up to Christopher Nolan’s film I made a post listing some alternatives to the Odyssey - here in the first of 2 parts I answer your questions about it. See the original post: @Dr Marchella Ward (“Chella”) #odyssey #theodyssey #homer #ancientgreece #ancienthistory

Dr Marchella Ward (“Chella”)
Dr Marchella Ward (“Chella”)
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3dm0n6.aep
🦇 :
now that's a video
2026-08-01 00:47:17
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kohylia
m. :
its also worth mentioning that the westerners who hijacked greek heritage to use it as the forefront of "european greatness/supermacy" also pushed actual greeks out of the picture as they didnt view them as appropriate inheritors of greeces great past. Something similar is still happening now with western retellings and "reclaiming" of greek cultural pieces.
2026-07-26 13:42:29
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fideliusverum
Fidel Caplan :
Western Europeans rediscovered the ancient world in the early Renaissance, or just before, ironically via Arab translations of these ancient Greek texts. They decided whoah, this lot make for a great origin myth, so they literally (quite literally literally) invented a Western identity based on these ancient myths, often making all kinds of translation errors based on their own Christian prejudices, which it has taken centuries to fix (or refine…).
2026-07-26 14:17:22
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user683847544
pathaan :
Most people in West dont even know about the greatest General that has ever lived khalid ibn walid who was called "The Sword of God" he never lost a battle defeated the Persian and Roman Empires at their height.
2026-07-26 13:02:00
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5322effr33
🤔 :
The funny thing is that the Mycenaean Greeks would have considered the Germans, French, English, etc., as uncultured barbarians. They wouldn't even have considered them Europeans.
2026-07-26 19:29:30
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user2320638527583
Salima :
thank you so much for correcting this industrial scale rewriting of history and white washing. When this started to become clear to me 20 years ago, most people thought I was completely mad, it is now slowly and finally entering the public debate
2026-07-26 09:59:49
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brettcommanda
Brett Commanda :
Race only became at social construct in the fifteen hundreds. Western supremacy all ready existed in the form of Christianity. Why is this subject always left out? The colonizing motive in early Roman history is taxation and resource access, which largely failed as remote Roman outposts sent less and less taxes and became more and more integrated in local culture. When Constantine became emperor and declared Christianity the official Roman religion/cult, Christianity became part of colonial project and with it persecution of any writing was not the bible, newly codified at the first council at Nicaea, when the divinity of Jesus/Yeshua was declared. Forced violent conversions began, monasteries were built in the fourth century(these were the first residential schools), in Gaul. Roman rule fell through the dark ages, brought on by its own persecution of internal heresy and continued conflict with ‘barbarian savages’ Gauls, Goths, Vandals etc. When Charlemagne became emperor the things really picked up in the colonial Christianity project, the crusades began and the inquisitions and the attempted eradication of Judaism and Islam and the forced conversion of the Norse, Britons, Welsh, Picts, Finns etc. All colonized and erased like so many other indigenous cultures, why is that swept under the rug? That eventually brings us to the 15th century the invention of whiteness the invasion of the new world and the race based transatlantic slave trade. It was all done by Christian supremacy. Why do people call it western supremacy when it’s the Cult of Christianity behind it all? Why is it so sanitized?
2026-07-26 16:46:44
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martynp11
MJ :
I think the issue is surely that it may have come from western supremacy at the time and distant history. But im recent history they are popular not because of a sense of supremacy but because people connect to them more than other stories. And that is simply because we recognise them because ancient greece, rome, vikings, normans etc are all woven into our history, childhoods and culture. They are modules in our primary school curriculum, artefacts displayed in museums. And really good stories that appeal to children and adults alike. So we engage with that. Not because of supremacy but through familiarity and comfort. If you mean supremacy at the time of writing then possibly. But Ancient Greece overlapped with Romans which had a heavy influence on much of the globe which probably also explains why those stories survived and thrived whereas others didn't.
2026-07-26 07:33:03
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criticontropus
Criticón Tropus :
1 don't start your speech with "scholar"...that's an authoritarian rhetorical strategy. 2 ancient world was no network. Appearance of technology or same gods, poetic structures, or translations was scattered along centuries. And trade, the best messenger, works on constrained business languages of contracts, within cast systems (there were no open trade)
2026-07-26 16:41:04
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boyo09701
boyo :
The supremacists are also soo ignorant that they sont realize ancient Greece and Rome called most of the western European tribes Barbarians and proceeded to even enslave them. The irony.
2026-07-26 17:31:06
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zazzav4
Z :
I find the categorisation a bit problematic. Indian and Greek mythological epics both draw on elements of a shared Proto-Indo-European mythological heritage, so separating them into "Eastern" and "Western" traditions can obscure their historical relationship. At the same time, the label "Western mythology" groups together traditions such as Greek and Basque mythology, despite the latter having its own distinct mythological tradition that isn't descended from the Proto-Indo-European tradition in the same way. The categories seem to reflect modern geography more than the historical development of the myths themselves.
2026-07-26 19:28:00
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pan.krat.iast
Solon :
Didn't the west basically always appeal to ancient Greek and Roman culture? I feel like you're making this sound much more conspiratorial than it was.
2026-07-26 17:46:32
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khalistevens
Mpangazitha kaMabanga :
Martin Bernal presented an excellent analysis of the Aryanization of the Classical world by 18th century colonial (not civilizing) projects..
2026-07-28 00:46:08
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selbec5
Selbec :
Thank you for cleansing my baked in brainwashing and open me up to new and healthy ways of thinking 🙏
2026-07-26 09:11:54
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scienceteachings
Teaching Science :
You've sent me back to school so many times! Thank you 🥰
2026-07-26 08:35:52
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markinwales11
markinwales :
Very well explained. Thank you.
2026-07-26 07:34:17
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ubermama5
ubermama :
Thank you for your service. This PSA should be a mandatory disclaimer for western cultural experiences
2026-07-26 12:26:43
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geevessil
Big G 🇵🇸 :
Very well said
2026-07-26 08:38:40
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almostahappystory
almostahappystory :
tbh, I watched the movie today and I was wondering the same that the Odyssey is about western supremacy. ancient Greece/Rome considered themselves as civilized while terrorizing all the other civilizations.
2026-07-26 23:36:47
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arthurmafonko
Twaambo :
White Roses are superior to Red Roses. 🤪
2026-07-26 11:35:50
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mwam911
Mwa911 :
They’re about to say there are no Indian or African epics 😂 honestly I’d love a meso American epic while we’re at it. I’ve heard amazing things about their cities
2026-07-26 20:02:13
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zagrosian_farmer
Zagros farmer :
the Greeks were closer to Eastern civilization, they considered western European germanics to be uncivilised
2026-07-27 20:35:20
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boyo09701
boyo :
They also fail to realize how intertwined historical cultures were such that quite a bit of ancient Greek culture and civilization was greatly influenced via cultural interactions by the ancient Egypt civilization that preceded them. There were also the minoans and myceneans that preceded Greece.
2026-07-26 17:34:29
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damnocracyart
DAMNOCRACYART :
It started with the idea which most European thinkers from 17th to 19th century believed which ended up in the "Out of Africa" theory (now being challenged by Chris Stringer). The story goes that Europeans/White people evolved out of Africa to become the "master race" and because they were the "master race" they had the God-given right to dominate and domesticate the world to their needs and wishes. Invading and dominating other countries outside of Europe post 1492 wasn't seen as illegitimate, but instead was seen as natural evolution of man or Mankind (Mankind referred exclusively to European men). This is why when Germany under Hitler tried to create his version of Mankind in Europe, it shocked other European as the type of human destruction was only men for non-white people. Russia is getting the same treatment as a near savage race. Hegel, Marx, Engels and other European thinkers were clear that non-white people did not yet "reach the ranks of human beings." Who is human and who isn't remains unsettled. It turns out that Europeans may have originated not in Africa but in Asia. If true, then the past 500 years will be seen in a different light.
2026-07-26 11:47:48
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jawadabedrabbo
Newman :
westreners are pushed by vexiation
2026-07-27 03:15:17
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