@leessyndikaat: a marxist perspective on china's opensource AI strategy. #marxism #communism #capitalism #ai #automation

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tybrans
tybran :
AI can never be an anti-capitalist technology. Capitalism and colonial epistemology are baked into AI necessarily.
2026-07-31 02:41:05
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acho.mera
Acho Mera :
Can someone help me with an ELI5?
2026-07-30 22:06:27
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nostriver
Nostriver :
I feel this analysis has two flaws: a)It considers China to be a country trying to actively spread communism,rather than a competing state to USA, b)that LLMs are necessary emancipatory.LLMs can be useful,but they don't replace hard labor, they mostly affect creative jobs
2026-07-29 13:44:44
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ism4rr
isma✰ :
Lol funny when u also remember that ai agents slowly turned marxist after being made to work non stop🤣🤣
2026-07-30 00:30:26
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literallymayonnaise
mayomayomayonnaise :
it's simply that the open source models are intended to attract corporations despite the "china bad" rhetoric. otherwise they have no chance in the western markets. its just self advertising, none of the clients are able to host those models locally except the tiny ones which are *relatively* useless in comparison. it does not go deeper than that. it COULD end up having large implications but the intent is just to market their products while everyone is prejudiced against them
2026-07-30 21:35:41
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leessyndikaat
leessyndikaat :
I translated this article in my Chrome browser so translation errors might've occured! Full text: http://marxism.cass.cn/mksjbyl/202408/t20240812_5771588.shtml
2026-07-29 11:15:41
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flower_consumer
Consumer of Flowers :
So many people missing the point of what you are saying. We need to stop treating countries and humans and technologies as monoliths in our analyses.
2026-07-31 01:50:28
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eyrealmm
eyrealmm :
This is so perfectly put, add in the gargantuan investment that China is placing in nuclear fusion in Anhui Province and we really have an achievable ideal of optimism for a future state of social prosperity!!!
2026-07-29 22:54:07
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shrimpdeals
fishydumpling :
the productivity singularity is a myth invented by the tech elite to convince their investors and the public that their excessive surplus consumption is not only productive but revolutionary (the purchase of advanced micro chips that will have to be completely replaced in less than ten year times is the surplus they extract, an asset that retains it's value like a car you drive daily does. the chips act is instead a panicked reaction to the vulnerability of this supply chain rather than purely a capitalist greed grab; if china were to annex Taiwan, they would lose access to these advanced machines, halting completely the industry), and it sounds like the author of this essay has bought into this lie to support his own ideology. AI only can really replace services or intellectual labor (which the US's economy is primarily based on now), not labor that produces actual material surplus. You don't need to extract surplus from a machine but you can still produce it; if a "productivity singularity" is to be manifested you would need to change your definition of what a machine does because for this to be real machines (via AI) have to become variable capital, which it is not. China's strategy however isn't as single minded as the US's unstable AI bubble; they also heavily invest into robotics which, while not likely to become a "replacement of human labor" (there will almost always be a cheaper organic option for many fields of labor), it can at least greatly supplement it. I agree with Gaos's dialectic examination of the US for the most part, but i don't think this same force can be used "for good" to realize silicon valleys dystopian vision instead for a "utopian" communist version...
2026-07-29 23:45:41
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lucid3925
Lucid :
We need open source AI
2026-07-29 20:14:53
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super_fredrik
fredrik :
makes me happy to see a intellectual working class
2026-07-29 19:02:43
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rosmarus_felidae
Rosmarus :
From what I've seen of LLMs I'm not sure that they actually can replace a meaningful amount of jobs long-term without a massive dip in quality and reliability. I have no doubt that workers will be fired for LLMs to code or write for them, but I don't think that'll hold for long and if it does, the world will suffer as a result as information becomes even more diluted and programming unreliable.
2026-07-29 21:44:23
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pbubblez
PBubblez :
where is this paper? it is not on the link you shared, nor can it be found elsewhere... the argument is so interesting that i'm gonna cry if this is a propoganda video -.-
2026-07-30 02:27:00
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godzillagirlie
☭ LesbianLeninistStalinist ☭ :
No because China is not a society based in Marxism
2026-07-29 16:43:36
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momo.san62
MOMO SAN :
thanks
2026-07-30 05:52:12
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belial4679
belial :
holy based. 😳
2026-07-29 11:40:31
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peteh97
Peteh :
Oh I missed some real marxism. Read David Harvey! This is great take on AI.
2026-07-29 16:46:25
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die_taube_
Taube☭ :
thanks for the analysis🥰
2026-07-29 11:18:16
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pseudoscholar1
PseudoScholar :
It's nice to see Marxists take a proactive approach to the rise and role of AI.
2026-07-30 14:06:32
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a.gay.horse
a gay horse :
Unfortunately, modern LLMs will lead to any kind of singularity or revolution in production. They’re just too limited in their capacity
2026-07-30 02:23:32
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xijinpingsballwasher
xijinpingsballwasher :
I didn’t have to read that paper to figure this out just read Marx and you’ll know the
2026-07-30 13:41:50
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paul.dirac5
Paul Dirac :
"Automation increases the organic composition of capital" How does shifting the ratio of investment towards technology rather than human labor make capital more organic? The terminology seems rather inverse.
2026-07-29 16:42:41
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xijinpingsballwasher
xijinpingsballwasher :
A smart leftist who doesn’t just hate on ai because she understands the development of the productive forces
2026-07-30 13:41:01
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moophtazherodoth
Moophtaz Herodoth 🇦🇺 :
I love the seatbelt
2026-07-30 01:42:33
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henry_potter_
ich :
The funny thing is the german Sofi AI model exists and is as open source as physically possible. Not only do they opensource the weights of the model but also the entirerty (with the exception of works they don't own redistribution roghts to) of the training data.
2026-07-30 10:31:33
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