No Nonsense Spirituality
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Rider :
Yes. God is good. He is the ground of morality. There is no use considering how “good” you are until you accept Him as lawgiver first, then as savior.
2026-08-12 20:05:07
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the_humming_word :
why do Christians think subjective means ‘not real’
2026-08-12 00:46:08
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greasy John Denver :
without God you can't even define "good" without being reduced to arbitrariness or skepticism
2026-08-12 16:36:23
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Alex Vale :
Generally what I ground morality in is "Does this help create the kind of world I want to live in?"
2026-08-12 21:06:26
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Casually Blasphemous :
All morality systems are subjective. Theists just push their subjectiveness off to god instead of anywhere else.
2026-08-12 01:06:52
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rhondabroich :
So, practicing morality in the context of religion is just another form of virtue signaling.
2026-08-12 17:32:03
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Troy Dempsey :
I think you’re misunderstanding the point of the moral argument. The problem is moral order is an abstraction that we accept and as such needs to have a logical basis. Atheism cannot explain an objective basis yet the universal abstraction exists. It’s not about motivation for morality, or if atheists are moral, or if they can determine or demonstrate morality. It’s about coherently explaining the source of the universal abstraction. The same as logic and mathematical order.
2026-08-12 02:39:07
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ever it :
Theism can’t ground objective morality, its inherent subjective by definition. What theologians do is equivocate their proprietary version of the word objective with the actual scholarly or academic or any other definition. When they say objective morality they mean god based subjective morality. Thats what objective means to them in this one case. It’s an ultimate form of special pleading equivocation.
2026-08-12 01:31:03
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BurtMcGurtMinis :
objective morality, regardless of the rule-set, is a dangerous goal. I say this knowing that there are some good points made from the humanist perspective, especially in comparison to to the extreme negative effects of some religious persecution. - the problem is that true objective morality lends toward eliminating grey area and inevitably the nuance of varying perspective. - so objective morality either gets lost in the weeds of nuance or turns into cold utilitarianism instead of divisive religious doctrine.
2026-08-12 14:56:31
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PlotTwistDad :
Euthephro’s dilemma is one hell of a trump card!
2026-08-12 00:48:11
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Eudocimus albus :
That's because all morality is based on power. The power of theism is the vertical axiom which is a or would be the ultimate power... if there's no vertical axiom, then the individual and the surrounding systems dictate the power.
2026-08-12 03:35:54
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AuthenticPastorKyle :
Everything said here is meaningless unless there is objective truth. And to argue against it is to affirm it.
2026-08-12 04:47:57
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Gaby :
You're the GOAT Brittney!🙏🏾
2026-08-12 02:13:34
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IGetYou03 :
Theists will say “if morality is subjective, a murderer can think it’s ok to murder someone”. Correct. And even if you accept objective morality, that individual can still say it’s ok to murder someone.
2026-08-12 02:19:50
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haroon :
Morality without God can only be relative to yourself. It's like a compass with a magnet that bends it towards convenience. Convenience doesn't always mean corruption. One can still live, help & sacrifice temporarily until they have absolute power, wealth or fear and it evaporates.
2026-08-12 11:29:53
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Thechosen.one⚔️🔥✝️🥷🏽✝️🔥⚔️ :
You slipped the conclusion into the premise. Christianity doesn’t claim goodness exists independently outside God; it grounds goodness in God’s nature. First prove goodness exists as an objective standard apart from Him, then you’ve got an argument. ⚔️🔥
2026-08-12 16:00:32
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elephantTumbling :
That’s a great distinction. I’m so tired of believers pushing their subjective morality as objective just because they’ve conceptualized an overseer.
2026-08-12 02:18:02
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Matt :
This misunderstands the argument. its not about God being anenforcer...it's about God being the source of moral reality itself. Saying we should base morality on "human thriving" begs the question: why ought matter in motion care about human thriving in a purely accidental universe without a creator?
2026-08-12 02:52:01
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Lamn :
what is the difference between acting rightly out of fear of hell and doing so out of fear of one'own psyche? empathy and compassion have evolutionary roots and people who possess them to a high dégrée suffer more witnessing the suffering of others so there is no fundamental difference between the two cases in both instances the motivation for acting rightly is the fear of suffering but the first is more powerfull and reliable for society
2026-08-12 02:55:02
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e^-i :
You don’t think truth matters?
2026-08-12 01:01:40
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BlueFlex :
What do you think about religion as a condensing function of societal complexity that keeps the human psyche from going crazy?
2026-08-12 02:48:23
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mary :
Well, isn’t this a good justification for religion ? If people do good things out of fear, they still those and avoid making other suffers. It’s kind of pessimistic on human nature but I’d rather have a morality enforcer then innocents suffering (that is of course considering religious people do those good things and don’t use it do have power on/hurt others)
2026-08-12 06:45:12
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ByronicSalamander56 :
No, enforcement is irrelevant. The problem with subjective morality is that it reduces every moral claim to a faith based statement. The exact thing that atheists want to avoid.
2026-08-12 01:54:51
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Seraphina 🍒 :
This! Christians or religious people believe that if you don’t believe in God, you don’t have morals. It’s incomprehensible for them that one can know right from wrong, good from bad etc. through having healthy values and empathy.
2026-08-12 14:19:04
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user48541394655 :
Basically everything
2026-08-12 08:53:14
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