@jakobwendesten: Do Orthodox Christians believe in works based salvation? A deep dive into the Synod of Jerusalem. #christiantiktok #catholic #orthodox #christian #christianity

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paladinxc
Paladin ✞ :
Hey Jakob, thanks for the response. So, I reckon that your reply here implies that my issue is that I think salvation is merely an event, and so this causes me to misread the Confession. But that isn’t my view, nor do I think I commit that error in my reply. The confessionally Reformed do actually understand salvation as a process; we would understand “I have been saved” to map onto “justification”; “I am being saved” to map onto “sanctification”; and “I will be saved” to map onto glorification. So we don’t take issue with that. Yet its consituent parts can still be considered, and of course we do consider errors on justification to be grave. All that to say, this in substance isn’t actually a disagreement, and it is something of which I am cognizant. In the reply, I do think I was careful not to conflate salvation en toto with justification simpliciter. You said, “Paladin misses that in the Synod, these works are God’s works in us.” Ahem, “noooooo,” I don’t miss it, I never argued that you believe these works are the autonomous product of your own person. But whether we attribute the works to God as what we might call the principle efficient cause doesn’t change their causative role in justification under the paradigm of the Confession — which is, as that which makes faith efficacious for justification, and as that which merits our final justification. This is still problematic, and I notice that section of the video toward the end somewhat passed by without response. You say I should consider whether deacons and priests understand Dositheus more clearly than I do. Entirely possible; I would need to hear an argument for that, though. Either way, hopefully you find my engagement with your views more thoughtful than most. God bless.
2026-09-15 01:44:47
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newrightpinball
DW :
Love this video, thanks Jakob
2026-09-16 05:41:43
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open2correction
Open2Correction :
If this is actually how the orthodox believe I just wanna say thank you for making these videos.
2026-09-14 23:50:49
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unnamedthing1776
🇧🇬 sushi ✝️eg 🇲🇩 :
If orthodoxy claims that its doctrines are preserved unchanged from the apostles through holy tradition, then it must demonstrate that those doctrines were universally held and authoritatively defined by the early church. Yet the early christian record contains substantial disagreement over issues later treated as settled orthodox doctrine, including the authority of bishops, the role of rome, the filioque, and the development of doctrine. Therefore, the mere claim that orthodoxy is "the unchanged church of the apostles" does not logically follow from historical continuity. At most, orthodoxy represents one historical tradition claiming apostolic continuity, it cannot establish its exclusive truth simply by appealing to its own tradition as the authority that validates that tradition.
2026-09-14 23:40:39
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fosterpartyoffive
Fosters :
augh this argument...it's like a marriage. we united with Christ through the sacraments. BUT! think of your marriage. if you just married your spouse in one ceremony, and then did nothing, no talking (prayer) no dishes or service (serving as a in the body of Christ) communing with Christ in the holy sacrament of the Eucharist. where do you think the marriage would be? because that's what you've done. you've entered into a marriage with Christ.
2026-09-15 00:25:52
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gf942156
GF94 :
There is a very common issue present at the heart of any “faith alone” debate and Jakob articulated that perfectly in his criticism of needgod.net. The common interpretation of “faith alone” carries with it an implied understanding of specific doctrine. So is it truly faith alone in the literal sense or is it (as it usually is) a particular interpretation of faith alone that fits conveniently with your own gospel?
2026-09-15 06:53:49
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josephrichey7
joseph richey :
Christ is king
2026-09-14 23:26:03
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rayner_thelutheran
Rayner Evangelisch :
You replied to a video that is replying a video where you replied to a video
2026-09-15 04:29:42
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jakobwendesten
Jakob Wendesten :
@Paladin ✞
2026-09-15 00:26:14
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giorgi.razmadze06
Giorgi Razmadze :
In Orthodoxy Salvation is a process of become Gods by grace (devine uncreated energies) which are communicated by means of God's work in Sacraments. _____________ This process is likened to a doctor and patient relationship. On the one hand doctor who prescribes medicine to his patient and on the other patient takes the medicine and trusts (has faith) in the doctor. Patient doesn't work as he/she is incapable to do anything for his/her salvation as it necessitates ontological healing which is impossible for humans and is solely done by devine Dacraments (Grace). Though human cooperation is taking and accepting this Sacraments as doctor's prescribtion ________ The end
2026-09-15 06:12:38
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