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🐉 :
not sure why theyre flaming you when you literally have a point if god was real and truly omnipotent
2026-09-16 18:19:05
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dede :
In general „free will“ and „gods plan“ contradict each other anyway
2026-09-17 19:24:40
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𐔌 anya 𐦯 💢 :
been atheist since birth but this argument is just silly
2026-09-16 20:52:47
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Darby :
This is just a specific example of the problem of God being omniscient and the problem of free will. You mistakenly assert that God knowing X well happen means it necessarily had to happen. God’s knowledge makes the truth of the event infallible, but it does not make the event intrinsically necessary. If you would like to argue your position on this if you feel you have already justified it I’m happy to hear it
2026-09-16 20:50:41
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Angel :
That's actually a very good point, I didn't think of that before
2026-09-16 20:13:19
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Joe 🙌 :
This applys to free will in general. If the Christian god exists we can’t chose anything.
2026-09-17 00:44:39
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j :
Free will is a myth.
2026-09-16 13:42:31
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dexter :
this is actually a very interesting topic
2026-09-16 15:28:28
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Evil Xander ✝️🏴🌹 :
youre almost there, the only issue is a misunderstanding of how Gods knowledge works. God sits outside of time and sees every single instant as one eternally present moment. That means past present future all at once. All this to say, Gods knowledge doesn't force us into anything, he just knows. And he knows what we do because its what we freely chose to do, and he saw that. If we had chosen differently, He would know differently
2026-09-18 11:42:28
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blackalexkarev :
As an atheist I think the only issue with this paradox is it doesn’t actually contradict his “powers”, him having foresight of something happening (assuming we have free will) doesn’t negate the fact that humans have the will to choose (I believe humans have free will but not from a supreme creator because that is counterintuitive) —> a stronger paradox is connecting why an all merciful God with infallible knowledge would allow evil and conduct evil, however this paradox generally leads to that discussion and what free will means. In my opinion if free will exists it is not because of a supreme ruler
2026-09-18 20:59:07
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𝖆𝖑𝖞 ♱⁺‧₊ :
This argument works for free will too, if there's an all knowing god there's no free will
2026-09-17 15:09:14
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charmedone1007 :
You’re conflating God’s knowledge of an event with the necessity of that event. His omniscience does not determine our actions. The event will happen because you CHOSE to do it and God simply KNOWS it will.
2026-09-17 00:04:32
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Anti-Zoro Agenda :
Your just confusing or conflating certainty with causation. If God infallibly knows that two people will freely consent to sex, then yes, their consent is certain because God cannot be wrong, but that does not mean God forces them to consent or removes their ability to refuse. God’s knowledge doesn’t make the act happen; rather, God knows the act as the free act that those people choose to perform. Your football analogy fails because a human watching a game afterward has fallible, time-bound knowledge, while God’s knowledge is not a prediction based on waiting for the event to happen. Classical Christianity holds that God is not “looking into the future” and discovering what will happen; He eternally knows His creation and its free choices. So your argument establishes that God’s knowledge cannot be false, but you still haven’t established that infallible knowledge makes an action coercive or non-consensual. That’s the crucial leap your argument needs to prove.
2026-09-16 23:18:00
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δatChristianOrthodox☦️🇨🇾🇬🇷 :
Im gonna ignore the grape part cuz that's just an addition to the already existing argument of free will and God's existence. You cannot just ignore the fact that God doesn't cause your action and I am going to explain why. That argument is fancy word play, it plays with words and definitions of free will without looking at WHY those definitions exist. I'll save you the trouble: The definition:~free will is when you do something you could have chosen to do differently DEPENDS on the idea of causation and whether something causes you to do something or not. Now, it is obvious that God's omniscience does not cause a human action, rather, the human action is the thing that causes what thing God knows regarding the event. In a within time context, the chain goes like 1. God knows that u choose A, 2. You choose A. But in a causal chain, REGARDLESS OF TIME (God is outside time) it goes like this: 1. You choose A, 2. God knows you choose A (that doesn't mean you cause his ability to know, you cause the fact that God knows your specific choice since the information depends on YOUR action). Now when the problem of causation is out of the way, you still insist "because the definition says this and that", when the definition itself means what it means because it relies on the idea of what causes your action (which is not God), so your argument collapses. That means it's word and definition play. If you ignore the talk about cause, your definition has no essence
2026-09-17 17:07:02
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highbentovr :
I like this thinking. I need ppl to talk ab this
2026-09-17 18:11:22
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sweet beautiful angelic girl :
This falls apart because it presumes gods will is what compels your actions. If you are incapable of making a decision other than consenting that does not remove the fact you’re consenting, it isn’t forcible it’s intrinsic 😭😭😭
2026-09-17 21:57:47
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sweet.pain.edits :
I strongly agree with your argument! Perfect explanation.
2026-09-17 02:08:44
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Jeff The Killerism :
Knowing someone will do something doesnt mean that they didnt do it out of their own free will
2026-09-17 10:44:43
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Nochers :
This would be true regardless of a god or not. Time doesn’t suddenly become Freeform because we can’t predict it. Everything that is destined to happen is unchainable for someone who obeys the laws of time. Ironically the only thing that can change what is willed to happen is if something above time interferes with it.
2026-09-16 18:51:00
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ardi :
this is an invalid take coming from an atheist and could be easily disproven
2026-09-17 15:03:48
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romaninmygarden :
Possibly the worst argument ever
2026-09-16 21:20:56
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Riddler :
I don’t believe God or free will exist, but I think this argument only works if you accept that definition of s3x and 🍇. The difference between the two wouldn’t necessarily be free will consent, but consent itself, which may exist due to agency and not free will.
2026-09-17 17:06:14
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Gabe itch :
You knowledge is not forcing it to happen . Like for example I have the knowledge you will die that doesn’t mean I’m murdering you
2026-09-16 15:22:02
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Samson :
Knowing something is going to happen ≠ willing it to happen. If I look into the future at a process that I am not directly involved in, that does not mean that I am directly causing it.
2026-09-16 22:25:54
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Glynoir🇻🇦🇳🇬 :
foreknowledge has absolutely nothing to do with free will, foreknowledge isnt determinism
2026-09-16 18:41:25
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