@triggayah: The reason Hebrews 1:8 can be understood as “it says” or “it is said” is that the Greek does not explicitly identify the Father as the speaker in that verse. 1. Look at the actual Greek Hebrews 1:8 begins: πρὸς δὲ τὸν υἱόν Literally: “But concerning the Son” or “But to the Son.” Notice something important. There is no verb for says in verse 8 itself. There is no explicit word for Father either. The English expression “he says” is supplied from the preceding quotation structure. 2. Where does “he says” come from? Hebrews 1:7 reads: καὶ πρὸς μὲν τοὺς ἀγγέλους λέγει Meaning: “And concerning the angels, he says…” The verb λέγει (legei) means “he says,” “she says,” or “it says,” depending on the subject established by context. Greek third-person singular verbs do not specify masculine, feminine, or neuter gender. Therefore, λέγει does not grammatically require a male personal speaker. When Scripture is the source of the quotation, English can naturally express the quotation formula as: * “Scripture says…” * “It says…” * “It is said…” The last expression is a passive English paraphrase, not a literal passive Greek verb. 3. Scripture itself uses this way of speaking Consider Romans 9:17: λέγει γὰρ ἡ γραφὴ τῷ Φαραώ “For the Scripture says to Pharaoh…” Here, the verb λέγει is used with ἡ γραφή, meaning “the Scripture.” Yet the original words in Exodus 9:16 are spoken by Yahuah. This establishes that biblical authors can describe Scripture as saying something even when the original passage contains the speech of someone else. 4. Now apply this to Hebrews 1:8 The structure is: Hebrews 1:7 — “And concerning the angels, he says…” Hebrews 1:8 — “But concerning the Son…” The second quotation continues the same literary construction. Consequently, an explanatory rendering could be: “But concerning the Son, Scripture says: ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever…’” Or: “But concerning the Son, it is said: ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever…’” Both communicate that a scriptural quotation is being introduced without independently identifying the original speaker as the Father. The critical distinction The Greek grammar permits a scriptural quotation formula, but it does not independently prove that Scripture, rather than God, is the implied subject of λέγει in Hebrews 1:7. Your strongest grammatical point is this: Hebrews 1:8 does not explicitly say, “The Father says to the Son.” It introduces a quotation concerning the Son. To identify the original speaker, we must examine Psalm 45, the passage being quoted.

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