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Kris :
I think the big tell is that no white woman in the shawnaverse acknowledges how accomplished Julie is and how hard she worked for it. Instead, they denigrate her for being driven, and achieving her goals.
2026-10-18 16:48:12
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cry_sierra :
Honestly, I hated how Julie treated Shawna because it definitely came from a classist perspective. When you pick and choose who you’re kind to based off their job title, that’s a problem. Here are some quotes: 1. When she was arguing with Ty about how she wants more for their children, she brings up how it’s Shawna that makes him lazy. And I quote “I don’t want suburbia, Ty, we used to look down on that world”. At Max’s birthday party, she literally picks a fight in front of all the children and the adults—not with Ty, but with Shawna. “She’s just someone Ty can be lazy with, this party is so pedestrian”. Shawna responds with “why do I feel like you’re trying to embarrass me?” Julie says “are you embarrassed because I really, really am.” In front of a group of people, including John—Shawna’s husband—she includes him in the conversation and she only talks to him. She scoffs, degrades, or remains silent in almost every conversation between her and Shawna, and Shawna is being just as friendly as Jen and as Christine. These two women are also women Julie does not know, but because they work, with one woman being in marketing specifically, Julie can have conversations without the demoralizing behavior.
2026-10-19 04:10:10
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MamaMOA, Fraufrau & EinEin :
It just now hit me that maybe Julie has always been so cold & off putting because she’s not getting the support she needed while she’s financially keeping them afloat while Ty gets to play the good guy with a dream. It all just clicked & I get her because I had the same thing of sorts. I was the one who worked & the husband was the stay at home dad. I still had to do the cooking and cleaning & be the only parent to attend the school functions while dad all the flowers because he did the pick up & drop offs at school.
2026-10-18 17:00:07
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themmefatalx :
i think the thing that irks me is that julie is one dimensional but ty isn’t. julie is “mean and cruel”, but ty’s priorities just changed and he’s trying his best. its so telling how many people haven’t unpacked their internal misogyny
2026-10-18 17:26:48
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Deb :
Jen hasn’t gotten redemption from me… I hold grudges and I still hate Jen. 😂😂
2026-10-19 00:04:31
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Meia_brasileira :
Julie communicates with a directness and confidence that a lot of white women (myself included) are not comfortable exhibiting. I think there is a cultural difference in communication and expectations. As we each relate to these characters through our own experiences and perspectives, perhaps many of Shawna’s fans might not be able to connect with Julie because they have been taught directly or indirectly that Julie’s behavior is selfish. While I can’t know personally, I have the impression that identity, self respect, and personal pride (in a good way) are elements that a lot of black women are taught from a young age to value.
2026-10-18 23:21:00
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_there.were.no.words_ :
I’m part of the Reddit thread that discusses the Shawnaverse and Julie gets a lot of support over there that I never see on other platforms. I totally agree with your theory though and immediately thought of Julie when you started your last video. People are not one dimensional!
2026-10-18 19:18:31
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Iris :
I think Julie is a great complex character!!! I’m late to the Shawna verse but I see all the big and little compromises she made for Ty. I can understand there is a miscommunication mostly on Ty to own up that he wants to be a stay at home dad!!!
2026-10-18 17:46:21
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Bad_Wolf_1103 :
My previous comment is gone and I'm not sure why. But you replied asking why I think she's cold and selfish and mean. The mean is more based on her general attitude towards Shawna and how she handled the birthday situation, so that may not be like who she is as a whole, but in the moments we've seen, she has shown mean girl behavior. The cold and selfish (although I don't think some selfishness is wrong tbh) comes from how she's handled the stuff with Ty. She should be angry with him. She should be mad af that he changed their plan and changed what their family would look like without discussing it with her or checking in with her. She also has every right to want a divorced based on changes to the future that he made without her input. BUT I don't think she's ever stopped and asked herself WHY he felt he couldn't talk to her about his changing feelings. Two things can be true. He is immature and avoidant and he made the situation so much worse and was the cause of the breakdown in goals and communication. At the same time, it can also be true that he knew (or felt like) she wouldn't try to see his point of view and he's already seen she has a negative view of people who center being parents above their careers and whatnot. He still should have talked to her about it, but you also have to wonder would it have been easier for him to talk to her if he didn't already think she would immediately view his desire to focus on the kids and put the book or career off as stupid. I think she has a coldness about her in how she responds to or reacts to perspectives outside her own, and I think she can be selfish in the sense that while she is justifiably angry with Ty, and she has already compromised in the past, she hasn't stopped at all to just ask why he felt afraid to talk to her about how his feelings and career goals were changing and why he wants to adjust his plan. In any marriage, it takes two people for it to break down. Even if one person is primarily at fault, both people usually contributed to the issues (speaking from experience there). She hasn't seemed to stop and question herself or considered she could have any fault.
2026-10-18 19:19:08
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Becky S K :
I love that you're giving us something more to think about. thank you for giving me things to ponder and ask of myself.
2026-10-18 16:55:24
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🌈🇵🇸coffee.moose.bread🌈🇵🇸 :
I love this theory so much. I've been thinking about it since I watched your video yesterday
2026-10-18 17:23:20
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Anoosha🐛 :
i’m brown not black and i’ve been called exotic many times lol
2026-10-19 21:32:17
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imSparkie :
And folks are too dense to see past what you are saying here. I love the challenge here and folks need to feel it, not as a moral issue in terms of audience, but taking the lesson from engagement with the story into irl. Because how many people have we (as society) flattened to one note and not hold the complexities and what motivates us to do so
2026-10-18 21:49:11
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Gih :
FINALLY omg i always thought that people reacts very different from teeny and julie and everyone judges Julie so fast, her pain its so valid, shes not a bad mom or a bad spouse, shes a woman achieving her goals!!!!
2026-10-21 14:54:41
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Sage (he/himbo) :
I think it adds such depth to her character. Julie is so complex.
2026-10-19 00:34:51
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Bad_Wolf_1103 :
I see Julie as cold and mean and selfish. BUT I've always loved her following her dreams, her drive, her want to give her kids a great future, and how she stands up for herself. I just think sometimes she isn't stopping to consider other people's feelings and/or perspectives. I have also kind of assumed (which I could totally be wrong) that she has that drive and almost fear of failure for a reason. There's some kind of underlying trauma. I've never read her as privileged. I've read her as someone who has gone through some shit and now has a hard time relating to differing viewpoints or choices because maybe at some point she had to be selfish in order to get where she needed to go.
2026-10-18 18:20:58
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XenonReacts :
Julie's coldness to Shawna and others can so easily be seen as her protecting herself around white women she doesn't know! WOC have to assume WW are a threat until shown otherwise. it is the whole Man v Bear situation
2026-10-18 17:04:28
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Sharcat :
The only thing that makes me not buy in 100% (I'm like 95% sold) is the party with Cooper. I'm from Chicago so this may shape my experience, but in cases where boys are acting up I've never heard a black mom tell her kids to do as they please at a party. I've only ever heard White Upper class mom's pull that BS. They are in the suburbs though, and maybe that has shaped her more than she is willing to admit.
2026-10-18 19:13:00
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Mina_lynn :
I don’t understand the tendency of the audience to flatten Julie into a one-dimensional character. The introduction of Julie’s character was what made Shawna more dimensional to me, as it was the first time that I remember being uncomfortable with (character) Shawna’s behavior. Julie never owed Shawna her friendship and Shawna’s way of ignoring Julie telling her “no” and not respecting her choice bothered me.
2026-10-18 17:45:25
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The black dragon mother :
They misogyny around Julie wanting to be a working woman, BY THE FANDOM OF PREDOMINANTLY WOMEN IS SICKENING. "I cant wait to see her fail with the kids" why would she fail with the kids we have seen plenty of times she is perfectly capable of taking care of her kids, she just also works. "lets see how she manages her career without Tye taking care of the kids" NEWS FLASH THERE ARE WORKING MOTHERS WHO TAKE CARE OF THEIR KIDS AND WORK AND ENJOY THIER LIVES, ITS NOT LIKE A CRUELTY THEY SUFFER THROUGH "Julie doesnt appreciate Tye (some nuance here) she couldn't even have that career she loves and the life she has without Tye making it possible" OK I GUESS IGNORING THAT SHE DIDNT WANT THIS LIFE UMMM WTF DO YOU MEAN SHE COULDNT HAVE HER CAREER SHE WORKED FOR WITHOUT A MAN??? As a SAHM myself I find these comments on Julie being a working mother disgusting. And not for nothing it is Tye who could not have his sahp lifestyle if not for his working wife Julie.
2026-10-18 21:29:11
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Amanda :
it could be the bias of me knowing at least a handful of military brat black women lawyers, but tbh I totally see it now that you've mentioned it. even with the birthday situation - yeah she was being unreasonable with a bunch of six year olds, but if you're a black mom after Nolan Wells drowned, maybe you are a little insistent on teaching your child not to do exactly what his friends tell him to without consideration. if you breastfed while studying for the bar and you have an under-employed white husband, you would likely get side-eye from your peers - only 2-4% of lawyers are black women, it's a group prone to value excellence.
2026-10-18 22:14:32
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Katsun🇨🇦🍃 :
I saw op video about Julie than I saw the newest episode on YouTube from Shawna and the comment John made “a condo? In this economy. Good for her” I can’t unsee it now. 😮🥰
2026-10-21 20:41:32
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Quail :
Oh this didn’t even CLICK until now. I’ve been trying to figure out why the comment section is so anti Julie when if it was Ty or even Shawna, they would be acting completely differently. Also the fact that they are going back to defend Jen.
2026-10-18 22:06:49
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MLEismee :
See the mean, “mean gurl” energy is why I don’t think she’s a woman of color. Well there are faults in the interactions among many social groups. I have never run into a black woman who is “mean girl“ and disrespectful in the way Julia is. I still say, military kid emphasis with possibly Asian drive (if we have to define her race)
2026-10-18 20:58:07
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Annie Bananie :
Honestly I’ve rarely heard anyone call black people exotic, it’s usually South Asian or Asian. Also I think so many people hate Julie bc she hits on a deep seated fear of a lot of women that being a stay at home parent isn’t enough. Her attitudes and values threaten their own self image and worth. What they fail to take into consideration is that in our society, for most men, having a stay at home wife is a status symbol and usually something that they agreed on as a couple. Julie never fucking wanted the life Ty has given her. She was so explicitly clear with what she wanted and he disregarded her wants and expectations over and over and over again and manipulated her into doing things his way. And YES he lied to her. He betrayed her trust. Ty isn’t a bad guy, but he isn’t a good one either. Even now it seems he is trying to manipulate his friends with his *sad boi* emotions to excuse any responsibility on his end. Which is oddly reminiscent of *white woman tears* no? 🧐
2026-10-20 14:11:22
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