@swanksinatra.1: @switcheroo613 correct me in the comments please #judaism #christianity #History #theology

sjribe :

I’ve heard the book of Enoch referred to as biblical fan fiction.

Jojoweed :

So Metatron is the CEO of heaven?

Ohms :

I'm thinking about Megatron now

Jaybrigade :

Christianity actually builds off of and works forward from the existing "two powers in heaven"/ "two thrones in heaven" theological framework. Read John, the logos, the word is the targumic concept of the Memra. In the Targumim, there's this character called the memra and whenever God does something or interacts with stuff, it says the memra did it. the memra spoke and said let there be light, the memra walked in the garden. etc. and then Yeshua comes and claims to be that being born in human flesh. Then they also have the shekinah in there as the third element of the godhead and boom trinitarian theology.

Sleepiestpick :

Metatron and Sandalphon were both once humans its why they lack the -el prefix. Its neat.

switcheroo613 :

please please read "The Jewish Gospels", he talks specifically about this and "Borderlines" by Daniel Boyarin. Greek philosophy requires an intermediate between G-d and the physical world, so there were tons of Jewish ways of incorporating an in-between. Gnosticism settled on the demiurge, Christians settled on Jesus, and Jews have the Kabbalah. the popular and kosher bi-unity was abandoned by Jews after Christianity became popular.

Infinite.Rest :

So the watchers that you refer to are egregores, nonphysical conscious thought forms. They are real and still exist presently.

🔻Kekero (level 13 Wizard)🔻 :

These “fallen angels” are likely referring to Baetyl stones. Meteors that were taken up by the people of that land and hoisted as vessels to their gods.

Yonadav Tzveker :

did you play El Shadai Rise of the Metatorn? I wrote a review of the game and had every part of the review titled with a quote for the poem אל שדי אלי אלי

Tenshi-goroshi :

Enoch is based on the the teachings Avesta from Zoroastrianism.

David :

enoch was noah grandfather. thanks for the ragebate interactions.

sesshomaru :

some say the fallen angels were good thats y they fell and not all the giants were bad

Scott Clem :

Astrotheology, the story is repeated in many religions all a personification of the zodiac. 12 signs of the zodiac- 12 tribes. 12 disciples and it goes on and on. Numerology makes the numbers used in the Bible make sense. Truth was hidden and guarded In ancient times and now as well.

Shasato 🍉 :

That is not what biblically accurate angels were.

Jganzie :

whats the deal with the Gospel of Thomas

Goodbye Stick Fan :

Makes me think of the Titanomachia, to an extent

switcheroo613 :

switcheroo613 :

scrusterbugs :

honestly pretty sick lore

chicken-fried nonsen :

ooooohhhh. I'd heard of nephilim here and there for like, 20-something years, but had no idea where it came from. ... also, music, metalworking, and necromancy is a WILD spread of stuff to introduce to people.

arikat :

the book of enoch is my favorite book haha

TREE :

I blame the septuigent

Amir Stein :

Metatron is not from kabbala. It's from יורדי מרכבה mysticism. %

retrocausality_raconteuse :

"My chest is gently chuckling as you're explaining this". I wish we were in the same room.

markgilman_ :

It's super important to state that the divinity of Jesus was something that developed over time in the generations after his death. Also it's likely Jesus himself was quoting Enoch, like the gospel writers may have not made him say that. also so much we don't know about the historical Jesus and his ministry. Crucifixion was a punishment for sedition. it's likely Jesus was trying to foment rebellious ideas and was crucified for that. But in order to not be killed the Jesus movement and the gospel writers likely kept all of that out of the story so roman rulers would have them all executed.