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What trading costs actually are: commission, exchange fees and the bid-ask spread measured on S&P and Nasdaq futures quotes A viewer asked what costs actually are, so I measured them. One S&P E-mini contract, in and out: $1.29 commission, $1.38 exchange fee and $0.01 NFA fee, each way, is $5.36 on NinjaTrader's free plan. Then the spread: you buy the offer and sell the bid. At the 9:30 open on the newest three of twelve sampled days it cost $13.30 (1.06 ticks). Your real number is $18.66 a trade, and 71% of it is on no statement. I charged that to ten versions of five popular YouTube rules (Jdub's opening range, Trading Rush's MACD, Casper's First Candle, Trade with Pat, Trader Dale's first hour) on 2011 to 2025 ES and NQ. Seven made money after fees alone. Three after the spread. All ten made $426,781 before costs on 24,220 trades and paid $451,945. Trade limit orders and pay no spread, and three still lose. None of the ten's 90% intervals clears $18.66 at the low end. Micros: ten MES cost $28.10 against $18.66 for one ES at the same exposure, 1.5 times as much. The check does not pick winners. Walked forward (expanding by year, 2014 to 2025, at $16.50), trading only rules whose past profit per trade cleared the cost lost $42,568, while all ten made $55,528. At $33 it did help: -$38,628 against -$266,882. Twelve days is a small quote sample, and stop slippage is not modelled. Takeaway: divide your profit before costs by your trades. Under about $19 on the S&P, it is dead. I built this in QuantPad. It has every trade on the CME since 2010. Link in bio. #QuantPad #backtesting #futurestrading #algotrading #marketdata
What trading costs actually are: commission, exchange fees and the bid-ask spread measured on S&P and Nasdaq futures quotes A viewer asked what costs actually are, so I measured them. One S&P E-mini contract, in and out: $1.29 commission, $1.38 exchange fee and $0.01 NFA fee, each way, is $5.36 on NinjaTrader's free plan. Then the spread: you buy the offer and sell the bid. At the 9:30 open on the newest three of twelve sampled days it cost $13.30 (1.06 ticks). Your real number is $18.66 a trade, and 71% of it is on no statement. I charged that to ten versions of five popular YouTube rules (Jdub's opening range, Trading Rush's MACD, Casper's First Candle, Trade with Pat, Trader Dale's first hour) on 2011 to 2025 ES and NQ. Seven made money after fees alone. Three after the spread. All ten made $426,781 before costs on 24,220 trades and paid $451,945. Trade limit orders and pay no spread, and three still lose. None of the ten's 90% intervals clears $18.66 at the low end. Micros: ten MES cost $28.10 against $18.66 for one ES at the same exposure, 1.5 times as much. The check does not pick winners. Walked forward (expanding by year, 2014 to 2025, at $16.50), trading only rules whose past profit per trade cleared the cost lost $42,568, while all ten made $55,528. At $33 it did help: -$38,628 against -$266,882. Twelve days is a small quote sample, and stop slippage is not modelled. Takeaway: divide your profit before costs by your trades. Under about $19 on the S&P, it is dead. I built this in QuantPad. It has every trade on the CME since 2010. Link in bio. #QuantPad #backtesting #futurestrading #algotrading #marketdata

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