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Yugi :
rougue literally remembers johnny dying on the roof tho
2026-11-09 12:40:51
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> sven 🐍 :
This is false because Johnny is cool and has aura ergo he truly did all that because I said so
2026-11-09 12:28:15
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Konrad3000 :
So we just have a bum in our head that thinks he’s some big thing
2026-11-09 13:30:20
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AdamB22 :
The whole “it was actually Morgan Blackhand” explanation never made sense to me. I understand Johnny’s memories aren’t entirely reliable, but how did they become THAT different? We’re not talking about Johnny exaggerating his role or making himself look more badass. We’re talking about entire parts of the operation being completely different or missing altogether. Nobody in the game who was actually there, including Rogue, ever mentions Morgan Blackhand being involved or the other strike teams. Even Smasher never brings it up. And Johnny’s memories don’t even portray him as some unstoppable badass. He’s literally trying to escape Smasher. I know what happens in the tabletop, but the game itself never properly explains these massive differences. Saying “Johnny’s memories are unreliable” doesn’t automatically fill in all those holes.
2026-11-09 15:31:53
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Hedwigon :
Minor objection, Johnny's memory of "Arasaka" killing Alt isn't wrong, he just doesn't know jack shit about netrunning. He thinks it's Saka, but we actually watch him kill her in game, he just has no idea what he's doing
2026-11-09 09:57:22
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lav :
Morgan Allegedhand’s true power… the ability to absorb feats from everyone he interacts with
2026-11-09 19:38:29
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what was in the tabletop game is clearly different then what is the actual game there are a bunch of different characters you meet in the video game that reaffirm some of Johnny's memories that you explore so clearly there is a misconception somewhere on what is actually lore and what isn't. you could claim that when soulkiller killed him arasaka altered some of his memories to make him more cooperative to interrogate to find out who was behind the terrorist attack there is a cut when Johnny fights Adam smasher for the first time and that is suspicious but there are not enough details to line up with what the board game claims and what the video game claims so I think the most recent media is probably the most relevant aka the video game if the developer pondsmith wanted us to think that Johnny was a fraud I guarantee you he would make that clear but he has not the game was made the way it was supposed to
2026-11-10 06:02:50
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courtarraignment :
What proof is there to this
2026-11-10 06:43:04
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Miwatt | Vtuber & Artist :
My theory was that the relic was designed to house Blackhand, but due to him escaping they just went with last minute upload of Johnny Silverhand and whatever Johnny thinks he did or saw was a mix of footage that arasaka had on Morgan blackhand patterns.
2026-11-09 11:21:18
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in_luv_with_my_gf :
Fun fact: Cyberpunk red follows a different canon than 2077. Meaning this is false for V’s storyline, but true for the TTRPG Red timeline. The original TTRPG falls under both canons but in general the game branches differently than Red. This doesn’t make things from Johnnys perspective false but instead it just means it’s a different story
2026-11-09 18:19:15
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Wilt :
It feels like the whole "Oh actually Johnny's memories were fake" was a last minute decision because Mike Pondsmith changed his mind about retconning the heist after they had already finished creating the story, cause he didn't want to take away a morgan blackhand feat
2026-11-09 17:16:31
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MarcelsVision :
Without knowing anything the first time I played the game I KNEW Johnny killed Alt by unplugging her lol. I was starring at the screen like!? Bro???
2026-11-09 12:17:10
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Count Fuji :
You forgot the most important one. Shaitan doesn’t die he actually fights smasher to a draw
2026-11-09 14:52:48
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Howling :
YES. This is why smashers death is perfect. for years i thought pondsmith retconned his story until i realized the truth. so the evil incarnate that is smasher is denied his glorious death. hes on his knees like FINALLY. V: silverhand sends his regards. smasher: -visibly confused, his glow derailed- ....what? (not in shock or rage. hes just like "i have no idea what youre talking about") He doesn't go out with a bang. just confused and dissapointed as hes finished off by a cyberpsycho with an engram plugged into his brain that not only thinks its johnny silverhand but also his greatest rival. Thats fucking hilarious. to smasher thats like a wet fart before walking out of a room. 🤣🤣🤣
2026-11-09 20:19:44
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mitchell.logan818 :
I look at it as rouge and them were NEVER on johnnys side, as you said they just used him to accomplish a minor goal, and rouge being sided with militech wouldn’t openly tell Johnny about Morgan actually being the one who had the big battle, on top of that it’s already hinted in the game that rouge was a snake and lied to you even after learning Johnny was in your head. Idk why people are so trusting of the person who lied to MULTIPLE people in the story, yea Johnny is a massive lier too but so is rouge.
2026-11-10 02:43:04
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⋆｡°✩.Kosamil_Art.✩°｡⋆ :
morgan blackhand feels like someones self insert mary sue oc 😭💀 i hate how johnny was made a bum, so a faceless guy wr never see, can get all the credit. a very weird decision by the writing team in my opinion. shouldve at least made blackhand somehow relevant
2026-11-10 05:01:22
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Leo :
i take anything involving blackhand with a grain of salt bc pondsmith would retcon the entire universe to make his self insert cooler
2026-11-09 17:24:04
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IM222TRASH :
So the cyberpunk books aren’t entirely canon the way you think, ttrpg games don’t have a “canon” you could play the same heist every day and have a different outcome. The books provide rough outlines, people and places for dms to use as a story telling device. Johnny is as big of a fraud as you want, maybe he died tripping up
2026-11-09 11:50:57
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lowdnoise :
Yea only problem is there are things in game thst direct contradict some of this
2026-11-09 11:28:57
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hankroland :
Pondsmith didn't want CDPR using Blackhand because he had plans for the character. Also, it isn't completely revealed what happened to Blackhand after the raid. My personal theory is that Blackhand was injured after the fight with Smasher and was captured by Arasaka who used a kind of soulkill lite on him. Johnny's and Blackhand's memories were stitched together for intelligence purposes. Johnny's ego blended Blackhand's memories with his own in a way that made Johnny look like the hero. Blackhand would later escape somehow.
2026-11-09 17:03:35
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Stanislav Petkov :
The question is why did Arasaka even bother putting him into soulkiller if he was a random bum
2026-11-09 16:43:11
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keamui :
i always thought pulling alt out like that just felt wrong in the mission… man
2026-11-09 23:11:55
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nyx :
I treat the cyberpunk tabletop game as separate. A lot of the story just doesn’t hit if Johnny is just a delulu nutjob too so there’s that.
2026-11-09 14:23:04
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Sully🕺 :
i’m pretty sure cyberpunk77 is set in an entirely different universe because there are many details that prove this wrong
2026-11-09 16:16:12
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Playing James :
But if you pick Rouge for the 2077 ending, when you start to fall from the helicopter she'll say "Not this time honey"Which means some of what he remembers is true.
2026-11-09 12:59:16
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